People were right: Zomboids LOVE TO BITE THE HANDS/ARMS

[JIIINGJING]

Last game: got hit 4 times, ALL of those were on my arm/hand.
THIS GAME: I was wearing a full firefighter suit plus 3 more layers of clothing and a police vest AND SOMEHOW STILL GOT A BITE ON MY ARM. GRRRRRRRRRR

I assume its because its a lot easier to shove when something is INFRONT of you rather than beside you, which makes being attack on the arm a lot more common

[DrLamp]

I assume it's because of defensive wounds. Anytime a person defends themselves, the first parts of them to get injured are the arms and hands. Ask any cop.

[Pherdnut]

Hands in particular are your biggest vulnerability in vanilla. With max tailoring I think you can make it highly unlikely you'll get bitten anywhere else if it's just one bite attack but the best you can do for hands is padding on leather gloves.

But yeah, unfortunately they are one of the more likely hit locations. I once stumbled into a small pack of zeds with max tailor padding and every possible layer (it was winter). 5 ripping sound attacks before I got away. No damage. Not even to the clothes. Later died to one fluke bite (only 2 surprisingly fast zeds) on the hand.

A lot of people think it's not worth armoring up for this reason. I'll never forget walking away from that severe screw up without a scratch though.

[DrLamp]

Originally posted by Pherdnut:

Hands in particular are your biggest vulnerability in vanilla. With max tailoring I think you can make it highly unlikely you'll get bitten anywhere else if it's just one bite attack but the best you can do for hands is padding on leather gloves.

But yeah, unfortunately they are one of the more likely hit locations. I once stumbled into a small pack of zeds with max tailor padding and every possible layer (it was winter). 5 ripping sound attacks before I got away. No damage. Not even to the clothes. Later died to one fluke bite (only 2 surprisingly fast zeds) on the hand.

A lot of people think it's not worth armoring up for this reason. I'll never forget walking away from that severe screw up without a scratch though.

I totally understand where people are coming from. Armouring up is always better than nothing. Just try to remember that, even with max tailoring, it still isn't much.

[JIIINGJING]

Originally posted by Pherdnut:

Hands in particular are your biggest vulnerability in vanilla. With max tailoring I think you can make it highly unlikely you'll get bitten anywhere else if it's just one bite attack but the best you can do for hands is padding on leather gloves.

But yeah, unfortunately they are one of the more likely hit locations. I once stumbled into a small pack of zeds with max tailor padding and every possible layer (it was winter). 5 ripping sound attacks before I got away. No damage. Not even to the clothes. Later died to one fluke bite (only 2 surprisingly fast zeds) on the hand.

A lot of people think it's not worth armoring up for this reason. I'll never forget walking away from that severe screw up without a scratch though.

But 1 firefighter suit gives you already 100% defense i think PLUS 3 more layers of cloths with sleeves. (got him on arm not hand btw)

[Pherdnut]

Originally posted by JiingJing:

Originally posted by Pherdnut:

Hands in particular are your biggest vulnerability in vanilla. With max tailoring I think you can make it highly unlikely you'll get bitten anywhere else if it's just one bite attack but the best you can do for hands is padding on leather gloves.

But yeah, unfortunately they are one of the more likely hit locations. I once stumbled into a small pack of zeds with max tailor padding and every possible layer (it was winter). 5 ripping sound attacks before I got away. No damage. Not even to the clothes. Later died to one fluke bite (only 2 surprisingly fast zeds) on the hand.

A lot of people think it's not worth armoring up for this reason. I'll never forget walking away from that severe screw up without a scratch though.

But 1 firefighter suit gives you already 100% defense i think PLUS 3 more layers of cloths with sleeves. (got him on arm not hand btw)

Firefighter stuff is heavy/hot, blocks some nice coverage items like overalls, and slows combat speed IIRC. I'm not sure what the most optimal is but I think I had something like military boots, long socks, long johns, overalls, military jacket, scarf, apron, long t-shirt, denim shirt and gloves. Some of that was overkill IIRC - probably the long t-shirt - so I removed it. Even in winter you heat up fast wearing that much when fighting so you have to carry extra water. I would wear way less in summer but also military desert gear is cooler, including the boots.

[Pherdnut]

Originally posted by DrLamp:

Originally posted by Pherdnut:

Hands in particular are your biggest vulnerability in vanilla. With max tailoring I think you can make it highly unlikely you'll get bitten anywhere else if it's just one bite attack but the best you can do for hands is padding on leather gloves.

But yeah, unfortunately they are one of the more likely hit locations. I once stumbled into a small pack of zeds with max tailor padding and every possible layer (it was winter). 5 ripping sound attacks before I got away. No damage. Not even to the clothes. Later died to one fluke bite (only 2 surprisingly fast zeds) on the hand.

A lot of people think it's not worth armoring up for this reason. I'll never forget walking away from that severe screw up without a scratch though.

I totally understand where people are coming from. Armouring up is always better than nothing. Just try to remember that, even with max tailoring, it still isn't much.

You ever take 5 hits without a scratch with no armor?

[DrLamp]

Originally posted by Pherdnut:

Originally posted by DrLamp:

I totally understand where people are coming from. Armouring up is always better than nothing. Just try to remember that, even with max tailoring, it still isn't much.

You ever take 5 hits without a scratch with no armor?

As a matter of fact yes I have. You weapon skill affects how well you can avoid taking a hit.
The real question is, why did you put yourself in a position where you could get hit 5 times without being able to withdrawal?

[Pherdnut]

Originally posted by DrLamp:

Originally posted by Pherdnut:

You ever take 5 hits without a scratch with no armor?

As a matter of fact yes I have. You weapon skill affects how well you can avoid taking a hit.
The real question is, why did you put yourself in a position where you could get hit 5 times without being able to withdrawal?

That's avoidance. This was multiple hits. And yes, dumb mistake, whatever it was. I think I vaulted something unintentionally and tripped because heavy load IIRC. Was finally able to sprint out of it without getting dragged down. I assume the odds of getting out of it with no damage to the clothes even were absurdly low and I was insanely lucky but no way would I have survived without.

I don't know the math involved but my impression is that you will most likely survive a single hit to any of the best-possible protected areas, even a back bite. Whereas hands, the best you can do is maybe escape a laceration.

But yes, armor is absolutely a second chance when you make mistakes that will ultimately get you killed if you keep on making them. If you never make mistakes, there's no need for armor. I don't wear nearly as much of it in the summer because high thirst actually gets dangerous with that much on.

[JIIINGJING]

Yeah, but, how did i get bite through all of those, is it just misfortunate?
Btw, is their a pants with +100 defense? cuz the firefighter pants only give like 60. I don't

I just want to point out on this world that i died in, i had 2 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ KATANAS AND 1 USELESS SLEDGEHAMMER

Originally posted by Pherdnut:

Originally posted by JiingJing:

But 1 firefighter suit gives you already 100% defense i think PLUS 3 more layers of cloths with sleeves. (got him on arm not hand btw)

Firefighter stuff is heavy/hot, blocks some nice coverage items like overalls, and slows combat speed IIRC. I'm not sure what the most optimal is but I think I had something like military boots, long socks, long johns, overalls, military jacket, scarf, apron, long t-shirt, denim shirt and gloves. Some of that was overkill IIRC - probably the long t-shirt - so I removed it. Even in winter you heat up fast wearing that much when fighting so you have to carry extra water. I would wear way less in summer but also military desert gear is cooler, including the boots.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by Pherdnut:

Originally posted by DrLamp:

As a matter of fact yes I have. You weapon skill affects how well you can avoid taking a hit.
The real question is, why did you put yourself in a position where you could get hit 5 times without being able to withdrawal?

That's avoidance. This was multiple hits. And yes, dumb mistake, whatever it was. I think I vaulted something unintentionally and tripped because heavy load IIRC. Was finally able to sprint out of it without getting dragged down. I assume the odds of getting out of it with no damage to the clothes even were absurdly low and I was insanely lucky but no way would I have survived without.

I don't know the math involved but my impression is that you will most likely survive a single hit to any of the best-possible protected areas, even a back bite. Whereas hands, the best you can do is maybe escape a laceration.

But yes, armor is absolutely a second chance when you make mistakes that will ultimately get you killed if you keep on making them. If you never make mistakes, there's no need for armor. I don't wear nearly as much of it in the summer because high thirst actually gets dangerous with that much on.

Not necessarily. What you are describing is a good case scenario, but not the best.
They could have bitten through your clothes even so.

Most of the experienced folks(not all) but i would say most do not armour up. (It is just my observation as per forum so might be wrong or biased.)
Two things, even a 100% anything will not protect you from bites. It adds to your chances of not being bitten, but sometimes the zombies still bite through it. It usually gets reduced to laceration or scratch but still it carries the risk;)
Secondly you need to invest a lot of time in tailoring. A damn lot of time. And many do not want to.
Thirdly, you need to keep track of many many things. You mention being hot. Hot already adds malus to your fighting speed and your moving speed as well. So if your clothes are on a certain treshold you may not notice it until it is too late, but your attacks became a tad bit slower. Just enough for you not to be able to keep those 4 zombies away, that you could before being hot. (Happened to me:P Dying cuz you got hot while fightingXD)

You can have better chances with nimble to escape being dragged down. The higher your nimble the more likely you can avoid. With 6 nimble i was able to avoid being dragged down by 5 zombies.

Armouring up can help you a lot as you said it. But it can also trap you as well, it is a double edged sword is why many avoid it and suggest to avoid it. (myself included)
It is better to plan your strategy, your way in and way out, where to lure the zeds etc.(And for unforeseen events:D)