Veteran occupation seems useless

[Malice]

panic is a meme and police officer gets better stat boosts for half the cost :3

[Armagenesis]

https://youtu.be/c_cwg0lA1Gc

[Malice]

I am aware of this video. I simply don't think panic is potent enough to justify the differences.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

Veteran is better than police officer if you want to use guns early for whatever reason, otherwise there are better occupations than both of them for long term survival.

[Greb]

It's useless in my game because I use the "Become Brave" and "Become Desensitised" mods but it can be useful if you're trigger happy and want to shoot zombies with minimal investment I.E having to look for beta blockers.

You also seem to get massively stressed when near zombies regardless of being desensitised (for me it seems to happen faster for a desensitised veteran character instead of other characters, smoker trait or not, but that's probably just me not paying enough attention OR me being more inclined to hang around zombies when desensitised which causes more obvious stress build up) which makes just constantly fighting zombies less of a care-free thing, I guess.

Not much difference from having to source and use stress relief items vs having to source and use beta blockers, really. Beta blockers also drop somewhat frequently from zombies anyway.

[martindirt]

Originally posted by Malice:

I am aware of this video. I simply don't think panic is potent enough to justify the differences.

Panic is potent enough if you try to fight against more than 1-2 zeds.
Landing critical hits... Well it's critical to your survivability, and panic decrease your hit and critical hit chance. Drastically. You can eat beta blockers, but it's not a stable source, especially if you play insane rare loot. Usually I'm find 2-4 pillboxes / town, but that's far from enough to clean the said town.
If you use guns, not panicking is even more important, since you probably attract herds, and your ammo is limited, so every hit or miss counts a lot towards your survivability.

[Pantstron]

I would say desensitized is op, panic drastically drops accuracy and hit chance all round therefore making it harder to kill and take longer to level skills and also makes leveling kinda pointless as panic will basically just remove a skill level worth of accuracy. No more beta blockers, one less thing to carry and constantly shove in your face to try and keep accuracy up.

Tldr Being able to make accurate shots no matter the hoard size on command is imo op

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by martindirt:

Originally posted by Malice:

I am aware of this video. I simply don't think panic is potent enough to justify the differences.

Panic is potent enough if you try to fight against more than 1-2 zeds.
Landing critical hits... Well it's critical to your survivability, and panic decrease your hit and critical hit chance. Drastically. You can eat beta blockers, but it's not a stable source, especially if you play insane rare loot. Usually I'm find 2-4 pillboxes / town, but that's far from enough to clean the said town.
If you use guns, not panicking is even more important, since you probably attract herds, and your ammo is limited, so every hit or miss counts a lot towards your survivability.

Actually "bravery" increases, or to be more precise your character gets more used to zombies. If you start with a not brave character, even 2-3 zombies will get your char afraid.(On occasions even one, Cowardice to be mitigated/erased takes a while)
However after a month or so your char will not get afraid even when the char faces off with 10 zeds...half a year later 50+ zombies will not really get you panicked, or if it does your character RECOVERS quite fast. (Shooting can be also done via the conga line, shoot, walk a few get your panic down instant turn shoot fast, before panic kicks in. Works with shotgun with other weapons not so much.) However without veteran there is NO chance to eliminate panic. Which can be measured in a number of things, one being to conserve ammo. With a non veteran char i once had to clear out my base in a small village, as the chopper brought 800 friends. I used up over 18 boxes of shotgun ammo, and a few pistol ammo boxes too. With a shotgun due to getting panic every now and then about every 2 shots hit something with noteable effect.(Was police officer) With a veteran that is on the same lower level about 3 out of 4. Stable.

Also to find beta blockers the best option is to search zombie corpses actually instead of houses. You find more beta blockers on zombies (whatever loot settings you have, unless respawns;) ) than in houses. Even in Lville Hospital if you clear out the whole place you find more bblockers on the zeds there then in the whole hospital:) And you can also find ammo on zeds:P

edit: Fzanco is correct. (One thing though that is troublesome that Veteran still can get nightmare panic:P which is annoying as hell:D)

[Siodog]

Originally posted by Fzanco:

I would say desensitized is op, panic drastically drops accuracy and hit chance all round therefore making it harder to kill and take longer to level skills and also makes leveling kinda pointless as panic will basically just remove a skill level worth of accuracy. No more beta blockers, one less thing to carry and constantly shove in your face to try and keep accuracy up.

Tldr Being able to make accurate shots no matter the hoard size on command is imo op

Like the video states, depends on the player. Will you survive long or not?

When my playthroughs round the minimum of 2 months I don't give a damn about panic, it will get removed after those months I even take coward and agoraphobic for extra trait points. Also never had the need to use neither police officer or veteran when you have other more interesting and useful classes from the early to late game. Police and veteran are for me just for the early game.

[TomokoZerra]

Panic is very potent when you play with random chance of one being a sprinter like I do. So the veterans desensitized trait would be very useful for its cost. This entirely depends on the player and even your sandbox settings. Though personally I go with Doctor over Veteran. Care more about my friends survivability than my own. Panicing at the wrong moment also can be bow your run ends. So I do say in my opinion the desensitized trait is powerful but its cost justified it's value. Though I think I have seen in sandbox settings maybe that you can give yourself for trait points. Can be wrong on this part.

[Raymond]

it takes 15 shotguns shot for veteran to bridge the initial stat gap between veteran and officer. Then it takes 30 more shotgun shots to make their cost worth stat wise, and this is without counting the value of desensitized trait. On the other hand, officer takes half a year fighting zeds to become close to being desensitized.
Depends on your choice tho, you think 1 box of shotgun shells is worth stuffing your face full of beta blockers before and in the middle of every fights with zeds right behind you, then by all means pick police officer. Otherwise veteran is very much worth their points.

[Animalman]

There’s no other way to get good reloading. That’s 100% on reload I about to start up and launch a vet run myself.

The reloading is key. Reloading will make pistols more valuable especially the double holstered pistol. As its at 100% boost on a vet all time. The 125% aiming police get is not as valuable, the extra 25% he gets I mean. Since you can be high level and still not kill a zombie in one shot with some weapons some times. Even as high as level 7-8 there is no guarantee that it won’t take 3 shots with the 38 special.

So what’s more useful. Being able to get those bullets into those two revolvers faster or… you know

Otherwise reloading is a grind that you couldn’t expect to get that far into. You just have to progress at natural rate. On a Regular character you might be able to grind 1.5 to 2 levels on your reload if you just hold down R and unload and reload or use a long load magazine.

Vet plays a better long game. Both aiming and reload can progress at a nice rate. For something that’s already quick to reload like a double barrel or a .228 rifle he has the game on those weapons. Not to mention something with a long load like a 556 rifle, or a nice 8-15 round mag pistol

You can make better choices with that vet

I prefer it to officer anyway. But not often vet spawns in police station. Though believe it or not burger flipper can spawn in a police station. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Vet usually gets a pretty cushty spawn in westpoint. Pretty common in the hotel right across from the gun shop. And if that bar has an extinguisher well you are guaranteed a full loot of weapons on day one. But then again you could have taken a drive up to the base and got practiced up. And head into LV. So.


I don’t think vet is so bad
Yeah it costs a little usually puts me off I don’t often play vet but there’s a niche for it since reloading is hard to get.

[Raymond]

Originally posted by Animalman:

Otherwise reloading is a grind that you couldn’t expect to get that far into. You just have to progress at natural rate. On a Regular character you might be able to grind 1.5 to 2 levels on your reload if you just hold down R and unload and reload or use a long load magazine.

I think you are talking about mod because in vanilla you have to go into your inventory and reload your gun without any key binding.

[gonavy-beatarmy]

Originally posted by YariMurai:

Originally posted by Animalman:

Otherwise reloading is a grind that you couldn’t expect to get that far into. You just have to progress at natural rate. On a Regular character you might be able to grind 1.5 to 2 levels on your reload if you just hold down R and unload and reload or use a long load magazine.

I think you are talking about mod because in vanilla you have to go into your inventory and reload your gun without any key binding.

R gives you a reload hotkey. Vanilla.

[TheSuit]

Unless you are playing with some mods panic is a really annoying debuff as you can miss and do less damage.

When I am dealing with 10+ zombies I always have to pop a beta blocker without brave

[Gena Cider]

veteran is just noob mode for characters with no combat skills on spawn. it can negate any panic leading to a wooden mallet performing well