Change Molotov Cocktail to Frangible Grenade

[NeonAtari]

More realistic and less of a dig at Russians.

[Shurenai]

Man there's probably like 15 gamers on the planet who know the word 'Frangible'. That is not 'more realistic', it's just dumb. It's a molotov cocktail, any gamer will recognize it as such, 99% of the human populace would recognize someone with a glass bottle that has a flaming rag in it as holding a molotov cocktail.

It has LONG exited it's association with russians, let alone being a dig at them. It is what it is, and is as widely known and accepted as red barrels = explosive and health bars = green. Most people don't even know why it's called 'molotov cocktail', just that it IS a molotov cocktail.

[Tar-Mairon]

lol molotov cocktails were named to mock ruskies, Fins used them to burn some orcs of their time.

[Greb]

It's a dig at Russians? I thought it was a compliment, since they invented it or at least made first widespread use of it, right? A bottle of cheap liquid paraffin vs expensive tank = flawless victory. Wrecking the German tanks at Stalingrad, I dunno.

I dunno, can't say my knowledge of glass bottle firebomb history is up to scratch really. Either way, I've never considered it a dig at Russia, anyway.

If it gets renamed, it ought to become "A Toast To The Rich!" though. Frangible Grenade just sounds...well, awful. It sounds like some kind of edible protein cake bar they'd sell at the gym.

[Dootslayer]

Originally posted by NeonAtari:

More realistic and less of a dig at Russians.

What do you mean by "less of a dig at Russians"?

[Dootslayer]

Originally posted by Greb:

It's a dig at Russians? I thought it was a compliment, since they invented it or at least made first widespread use of it, right? A bottle of cheap liquid paraffin vs expensive tank = flawless victory.

I dunno, can't say my knowledge of glass bottle firebomb history is up to scratch really.

If it gets renamed, it ought to become "A Toast To The Rich!" though. Frangible Grenade just sounds...well, awful. It sounds like some kind of edible protein cake bar they'd sell at the gym.

It first came to light in the spanish civil war, but it widespread in the finnish winter war, where the finnish used it to great effect to cook russians, it has little to do with russians, in fact, if you called it a "molotov cocktail" during those and times and you were from the USSR, i wouldn't be surprised if you found yourself having a bad time to put it mildly.

[Zombie Fry]

please do not call it frangible... ill take fire bomb before Frangible lol

[Greb]

Interesting, lol.

Here I was thinking it was named after some Russian guy who was the first to make widespread documentation how to make and use them, etc.

What does Molotov even mean? Is it just some common Russian name or surname?

[Dootslayer]

Originally posted by Greb:

Interesting, lol.

Here I was thinking it was named after some Russian guy who was the first to make widespread documentation how to make and use them, etc.

What does Molotov even mean? Is it just some common Russian name or surname?

It was named after the foreign soviet minister of the time

[Desculpa31]

molotov cocktail is a glass bottle with fuel and a rag that you set on fire before throwing it at your target, you can make one if you know what you are doing right now IRL (would be illegal soo dont) soo on realistic you are wrong, now the part is a dig at the russians... are you okay? where would it be a dig at them? how? "The name "Molotov cocktail" was coined by the Finns during the Winter War (Finnish: Molotovin cocktail) in 1939. The name was a pejorative reference to Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov, who was one of the architects of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact on the eve of World War II." <-- from wikipedia check link if you dont trust me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

[AmesNFire]

Originally posted by Desculpa31:

molotov cocktail is a glass bottle with fuel and a rag that you set on fire before throwing it at your target, you can make one if you know what you are doing right now IRL (would be illegal soo dont) soo on realistic you are wrong, now the part is a dig at the russians... are you okay? where would it be a dig at them? how? "The name "Molotov cocktail" was coined by the Finns during the Winter War (Finnish: Molotovin cocktail) in 1939. The name was a pejorative reference to Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov, who was one of the architects of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact on the eve of World War II." <-- from wikipedia check link if you dont trust me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

If you bothered to go further down you'll find out it likely originated in the Spanish Civil War and has various different names internationally.

[Dootslayer]

Originally posted by AmesNFire:

Originally posted by Desculpa31:

molotov cocktail is a glass bottle with fuel and a rag that you set on fire before throwing it at your target, you can make one if you know what you are doing right now IRL (would be illegal soo dont) soo on realistic you are wrong, now the part is a dig at the russians... are you okay? where would it be a dig at them? how? "The name "Molotov cocktail" was coined by the Finns during the Winter War (Finnish: Molotovin cocktail) in 1939. The name was a pejorative reference to Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov, who was one of the architects of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact on the eve of World War II." <-- from wikipedia check link if you dont trust me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

If you bothered to go further down you'll find out it likely originated in the Spanish Civil War and has various different names internationally.

Yet it became well known or "iconic" with the name "molotov cocktail"

Why should we change it? Especially for something like "Frangible Grenade"

[Dr. Peeper]

Originally posted by Greb:

It's a dig at Russians? I thought it was a compliment, since they invented it or at least made first widespread use of it, right? A bottle of cheap liquid paraffin vs expensive tank = flawless victory. Wrecking the German tanks at Stalingrad, I dunno.

I dunno, can't say my knowledge of glass bottle firebomb history is up to scratch really. Either way, I've never considered it a dig at Russia, anyway.

If it gets renamed, it ought to become "A Toast To The Rich!" though. Frangible Grenade just sounds...well, awful. It sounds like some kind of edible protein cake bar they'd sell at the gym.

lol, under that logic the not so nice name for a broken bottle as a weapon would be a compliment also. I don't think that is the case.

[Dootslayer]

Originally posted by EnigmaGrey:

Pretty clear from the Wiki article that it was named to mock the man that perpetrated a heinous falsehood (claiming incendiary bombs were humanitarian aid) vs. a dig at Russians in general. That name stuck, unlike "petrol bomb" and various other forms, and is probably the most common way to refer to it currently. I know I've never heard of it referred to as anything else in my life-time, even though I guarantee almost no one using the word knows it origin.

Imo, I wouldn't look at it as a dig at the Russian people in general and more at the leaders of the time. (Which should be how we view any geopolitical events of similar nature vs. stereotyping an entire group of people, all of whom are individuals with their own opinions and beliefs.)

To be fair the soviets were high on propaganda especially during those times, so unsure if any soldiers had issues with attacking Finland. Hard to tell now, considering there arent too many veterans alive from both side.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by EnigmaGrey:

Originally posted by Dootslayer:

To be fair the soviets were high on propaganda especially during those times, so unsure if any soldiers had issues with attacking Finland. Hard to tell now, considering there arent too many veterans alive from both side.

Regardless of what such statistics could say, I'd prefer if we didn't fall into the nooks and crannies surrounding collective punishment on the forum or went into politics (itself against the rules). As is, we're flying pretty close to the sun here.

which is quite a good Guano Apes song from their newer albums. (Close to the sun:D)

[Greb]

Originally posted by Dr. Peeper:

lol, under that logic the not so nice name for a broken bottle as a weapon would be a compliment also. I don't think that is the case.

Hmm, not sure I understand. Are you talking about the Smashed Bottle item in the game? What's wrong with that, if so?