Bug with water bottles

[HawKeYeIII3]

After the update, I can't get bottled water of any kind.
Is it no longer possible to put plain clean water in a bottle and drink from it? Anyone else have this bug?
It is written on some water bottles that I can only clean it in a microwave? what kind of ♥♥♥♥ is that supposed to be? :)
I open a new orange soda bottle, empty it and fill it with clean water, I can't drink it either.

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by HawKeYeIII3:

Originally posted by Drizzt:

it's not some crazy mystery or a bug

it's this:

plastic bottles full of tainted water can only be purified in a microwave because otherwise they would melt

there is currently no mechanic for melting a plastic bottle - so all that happens if you try to purify a plastic bottle of water in a stove is that it won't purify

the tooltip for plastic bottles has been changed to always say that the contents can only be purified in a microwave - but if you fill any bottle with tainted water, it will gain 2 red tooltips - 1 saying it's unsafe, and the other saying what it can be purified in (glass bottles say oven or fire, but that includes a microwave - plastic bottles specifically say microwave)

it's fine - it's normal

the only issues people may be encountering will likely either be to do with mods, or stuff from older saves - or possibly from misunderstandings

Thank you for your detailed information. Perhaps it would be better if the description for a microwave is only there if there is dirty water in it.

Then all you need is a description. Please don't drink :)

A bottle of clean water shouldn't say anything except Cheers.

no worries

you can mod it out in various ways if you like - you can blank the tooltip for Tooltip_item_OnlyPurifyMicrowave - or remove the reference to that from WaterBottleEmpty

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by Kaldrak:

Originally posted by Drizzt:

it's not some crazy mystery or a bug

it's this:

plastic bottles full of tainted water can only be purified in a microwave because otherwise they would melt

there is currently no mechanic for melting a plastic bottle - so all that happens if you try to purify a plastic bottle of water in a stove is that it won't purify

the tooltip for plastic bottles has been changed to always say that the contents can only be purified in a microwave - but if you fill any bottle with tainted water, it will gain 2 red tooltips - 1 saying it's unsafe, and the other saying what it can be purified in (glass bottles say oven or fire, but that includes a microwave - plastic bottles specifically say microwave)

it's fine - it's normal

the only issues people may be encountering will likely either be to do with mods, or stuff from older saves - or possibly from misunderstandings

So...just to confirm, all this means that we now can't drink from a bottle of soda if its emptied and then clean water is put in there WITHOUT purifying it for some reason? Cause a bit of sugar from the soda isn't going to make the water tainted. That's just kind of dumb. Also a balance issue.

no - that isn't the case - everything operates exactly as it always did - except that if you have a plastic bottle full of tainted water (it will say tainted), you can only purify it in a microwave

if you drink a soda it will become an empty bottle - if you fill it will regular water it will become a water bottle - you can drink from it - but it will have the tooltip about microwaves - since it is now a plastic water bottle - but if the water does not say "tainted" you do not need to purify it

tainted water gets it's own tooltips, in red, saying you have to purify it

[Kaldrak]

Originally posted by Drizzt:

Originally posted by Kaldrak:

So...just to confirm, all this means that we now can't drink from a bottle of soda if its emptied and then clean water is put in there WITHOUT purifying it for some reason? Cause a bit of sugar from the soda isn't going to make the water tainted. That's just kind of dumb. Also a balance issue.

no - that isn't the case - everything operates exactly as it always did - except that if you have a plastic bottle full of tainted water (it will say tainted), you can only purify it in a microwave

if you drink a soda it will become an empty bottle - if you fill it will regular water it will become a water bottle - you can drink from it - but it will have the tooltip about microwaves - since it is now a plastic water bottle - but if the water does not say "tainted" you do not need to purify it

tainted water gets it's own tooltips, in red, saying you have to purify it

Ah okay. Thanks for the clarification. Haven't had the chance to play after the latest update yet.

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by Kaldrak:

Originally posted by Drizzt:

no - that isn't the case - everything operates exactly as it always did - except that if you have a plastic bottle full of tainted water (it will say tainted), you can only purify it in a microwave

if you drink a soda it will become an empty bottle - if you fill it will regular water it will become a water bottle - you can drink from it - but it will have the tooltip about microwaves - since it is now a plastic water bottle - but if the water does not say "tainted" you do not need to purify it

tainted water gets it's own tooltips, in red, saying you have to purify it

Ah okay. Thanks for the clarification. Haven't had the chance to play after the latest update yet.

no worries - and 41.73 is fine - despite what it may seem from some of the drama, the sky is not falling lol - mostly just misunderstandings, mod issues, old save issues, and AMD's ridiculous OpenGL driver update debacle

but if you find anything weird when you play, and can replicate it without mods - the bug tracker is always open for business :-)

[Drizzt]

FYI - i changed a bit of my post that was marked as the answer slightly (EDIT: looks like it just took a while for the reference thing to update the version shown at the top of the thread - but i will leave this here anyway for posterity lol)

from:

the tooltip for plastic bottles has been changed to always say that the contents can only be purified in a microwave

to:

the tooltip for plastic water bottles has been changed to always say that the contents can only be purified in a microwave

since it is only once some plastic containers have been filled with water that they become a water bottle (e.g, the soda bottle), and then lose the tooltip once they are empty - whereas the standard plastic water bottle is always considered a water bottle when empty - and the bleach bottle for some reason lol

but anyway - just so that people can see that some plastic bottles will have the tooltip when empty and some will not - and none should have it when filled with gasoline or bleach or soda etc

[DuDun]

I'm sorry but...
Do not think this had anything to do with a intended change.

I made a few tests back and forth, the tag was applied to ANY bottle (also the cooking pans) on certain items that got filled with water for as long as I had a bleach bottle in my inventory (filled or not).

It was annoying because you have to be so careful with anything you do in the game, but I tried my luck and it appeared to have no impact in the game at all. The character was still periodically drinking from these bottles with the "the contents need to be purified on a microwave" tag. I was suspicious it was just that and after playing the game for a while without dealing with bleach bottles caused the tag to vanish, also from bottles that had it previowsly applied.

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by DuDun:

I'm sorry but...
Do not think this had anything to do with a intended change.

I made a few tests back and forth, the tag was applied to ANY bottle (also the cooking pans) on certain items that got filled with water for as long as I had a bleach bottle in my inventory (filled or not).

It was annoying because you have to be so careful with anything you do in the game, but I tried my luck and it appeared to have no impact in the game at all. The character was still periodically drinking from these bottles with the "the contents need to be purified on a microwave" tag. I was suspicious it was just that and after playing the game for a while without dealing with bleach bottles caused the tag to vanish, also from bottles that had it previowsly applied.

well i am playing an umodded game - and i have tested pretty much every item capable of holding water - and the plastic ones show the tooltip, and the non plastic ones don't

and to reiterate - the tooltip we are talking about says "Contents can only be purified in a miocrowave", and is the normal tooltip color (same as the rest of the item description labels - light yellow on my display, with the data being white)

This is not an indication that the current contents requires purification (it can appear on plastic containers that are empty but capable of holding water) - it is just a note to the player that if they do wish to fill the container with a liquid that does require purification, they can only use a microwave to purify it, not an oven or fire (since it would melt in real life - but in the game currently just doesn't get purified)

if you fill a water container with tainted water, it gets additional tool tips which are highlighted in red and indicate that the water requires purification - and if the container is plastic it says that it must be purified in a microwave - and if not it says an oven or fire

having a bleach bottle in your inventory makes no difference to the tootips for other containers

also i am not sure what you mean by "also the cooking pans" - do you mean cooking pots? since pans cannot be filled with water, and have no tooltips about it - whereas the pots (cooking pot, saucepan) can be filled with water, but they are metal and get no tooltip about requiring a microwave

so i am not sure what you are seeing or why you are seeing it - but it is not what i am seeing on an unmodded version of the game - possibly you have an issue with items from an old save? try using debug and adding fresh items - or going to a place on the map you have never explored and finding some (seems more effort than using debug for testing but is still an option lol)

i'm not trying to be contrary - but it is in everyone's interests to know if there are real bugs in the game - and also if they might be seeing what seem like bugs but are due to mods or old saves etc