No damned seeds in Rosewood at all.

[Itharus]

Several games now, I've made it to winter (and beyond at times) and not found a single seed pack in Rosewood, nor foraged any up. This is getting out of hand.

This is a bloody farming community. Where are the seeds??? Even the farms don't have seeds! Just useless rotten vegetables. A lot which, mind you, could conceivably sprout. But nope!

For any sort of base building style farming is totally essential but there are just no damned seeds here. I live in a small city irl. There are at least 4 major sources of a variety of crop seeds within 2 miles of me, and we're not even an agricultural area. I grew up in an agricultural town -- seeds for days, months, years even. Easily obtainable from the crops themselves to boot if they were left to fully mature due to lack of harvest.

Come on.

Feeling very frustrated because I feel that my game is limited to a slow death in this area after the winter is over just because apparently plants decided to stop reproducing.

There should be a mechanic instituted where all the farms out there start growing their previous crops later due to untended things going fallow and reverting to their nature.

I get the whole "this is how you died" thing -- but seriously -- that's not going to be because there's no seeds. Seed stock is a real thing on basically every crop growing farm there is, and most markets have some seeds because folks like to backyard garden. Survivor houses should have a good chance to have seeds in them too, honestly.

This feels like chipped stones all over again (which, thankfully, aren't impossibly rare anymore due to foraging).

PS: after like 5 games to this point I'm convinced it can't just be RNG messing with me.

[Cult of Nobody]

Move to Ekron. They have seeds.

[DarkFaceGlow]

Travel south of the firehouse…

[Itharus]

Originally posted by DarkFaceGlow:

Travel south of the firehouse…

I've scoured the area around the town too. Even warehouses. No joy.

Driving me INSANE.

[stevasaur]

The only seeds in packets I've found in my current run (Apocalypse difficulty) are in a couple crates in the farms to the east of Rosewood (through the woods where seemingly every zombie decided to hang out), and the warehouses just outside of Muldraugh (I drove up there because I couldn't find a watering can anywhere in Rosewood)

On previous runs, I would very rarely find seed packets in backyard garden sheds (usually in the houses north-east of town, near the school). But unless you go severely out of your way, you are most likely going to get seeds from foraging crops (which unlocks around Foraging 3-4) rather than from packets. Fortunately, those seeds sometimes come with a 500(!) calorie monster Cabbage attached (seriously, what kind of weird mutant crops are growing in the wilds of Kentucky!?)

EDIT: The Search Focus is incredibly powerful. Once you unlock the ability to search focus "Crops," you can get enormous amounts of food and seeds as long as it's pre-winter, even in Vegetation and Forest biomes. IME, those areas are sometimes better for crops, because the way Search Focus works is it adds an extra chance to turn foraging "bubbles" you find into the selected category. And since Vegetation/Forest have a lot of foraging bubbles...

[KillerKommando]

I do think it's awkward that Rosewood does not have a gardening center like in Louisville given it's lore.

[Itharus]

Originally posted by stevasaur:

The only seeds in packets I've found in my current run (Apocalypse difficulty) are in a couple crates in the farms to the east of Rosewood (through the woods where seemingly every zombie decided to hang out), and the warehouses just outside of Muldraugh (I drove up there because I couldn't find a watering can anywhere in Rosewood)

On previous runs, I would very rarely find seed packets in backyard garden sheds (usually in the houses north-east of town, near the school). But unless you go severely out of your way, you are most likely going to get seeds from foraging crops (which unlocks around Foraging 3-4) rather than from packets. Fortunately, those seeds sometimes come with a 500(!) calorie monster Cabbage attached (seriously, what kind of weird mutant crops are growing in the wilds of Kentucky!?)

EDIT: The Search Focus is incredibly powerful. Once you unlock the ability to search focus "Crops," you can get enormous amounts of food and seeds as long as it's pre-winter, even in Vegetation and Forest biomes. IME, those areas are sometimes better for crops, because the way Search Focus works is it adds an extra chance to turn foraging "bubbles" you find into the selected category. And since Vegetation/Forest have a lot of foraging bubbles...

Hhhm. I didn't have much luck with foraging them. I'll keep trying that I guess.

And yes... every zombie in the world seems to lurk just outside of Rosewood in the woods. I don't get it. Concentration's set to urban...

[Itharus]

OMFG... seriously... is there anywhere that has seeds guaranteed? I am so tired of losing 100% to RNG >.< First it was chipped stones, now it's seeds...

Foraging at the farm didn't work. >:(

[westrud]

My last start in Rosewood I found seeds in the trunk of a car. Sometimes vehicles will have themed loot so always worth checking. Other then that foraging farmland is your best chance, eventually you should find some crops and seeds.

[Itharus]

What's a good tip for surviving outside at night then? Can't see a dang zombie until its biting you. But the farms are too far to make in a day without a car and get back, and crowded enough that taking on the horde at the spot with no rest area is sketchy. Don't always have a car handy in time. P sure RNG hates me above all others most of the time from the sounds of these forums.

[stevasaur]

Originally posted by Itharus:

What's a good tip for surviving outside at night then? Can't see a dang zombie until its biting you. But the farms are too far to make in a day without a car and get back, and crowded enough that taking on the horde at the spot with no rest area is sketchy. Don't always have a car handy in time. P sure RNG hates me above all others most of the time from the sounds of these forums.

If you are trying to access the houses/farm sheds south of Rosewood, there is a two-story house almost due south of the Rosewood Fire Station (along the gravel path below the construction yard that, if I remember correctly, you were using as a base?) that makes a good resting point. (Optionally) Barricade the lower floor windows, make sure you arrive at the house before sunset so you can do a perimeter check, then sleep the night in the upstairs bedroom with the doors and curtains closed. IIRC the two-story house even has a fueled BBQ outside that can be used for cooking after the power goes out.

If you are trying to access the farms to the east of Rosewood, then the best way I've found is to cut through the woods near those two large-ish one story houses in the woods. It might be a multi-day project to thin the number of zombies in the woods, but there is very little actual "forest" before you get into open terrain and farmland (you can see this narrow point on any Rosewood Map). There are a couple very nice two-story houses in that overall farming "zone" that can then be used as safe rest spots. Until you've secured one of them, you can always base up in one of the one-story houses in eastern Rosewood.

If you are trying to access the farms north of Rosewood (personally, I don't consider them good loot targets since the warehouses up there are just crate upon crate of perishable vegetables), there's a two-story house just up the road from the crossroads north of Rosewood that can be used as a rest point. It also has a garden shed that might be worth looting anyway.

The TL;DR for "how to survive at night in the open" is: don't. Make sure you are within walking distance of some kind of structure where you can at least partially secure yourself. If it's a choice between pressing forwards and risking a walk in the dark or turning back and spending the night in a semi-secure house, the second option is almost always preferable unless you're using the PZ map to plan your route. If you absolutely have to, then a flashlight with a spare battery or two (along with a one-handed weapon) are a must-have.

Zomboid life hack: for long journeys on foot, shove a plastic lawn chair in your backpack. They're only 5 weight units, are ubiquitous, and don't have any other use. You can set them down and rest if your character is getting exerted, and in a pinch, you can find an indoor bathroom, close the door and spend the night on the lawn chair without having to wait for Ridiculously Tired to sleep on the ground.

Even better than a lawn chair is a stretcher bed: it weighs the same amount (two 2.5 weight sections) and have Average comfort instead of Bad. There is at least one stretcher bed in Rosewood by default.

[Shady Allie]

I think I saw in the code an if then statement. Something like:
If Itharus looks for seeds, then delete ALL seeds.

Later in the same code block is another statement, something along the lines of:
If Itharus finds seeds after 100 days, Add seeds to every bin searched thereafter.

Good luck!

[stevasaur]

Oh, one thing I forgot: it might've been just luck, but every time I've found seeds in containers, it's been in crates or in wooden cupboards, not metal shelves or cabinets that you find in most garages/sheds. I suspect this might be one of the reasons why seeds became so much more rare in Beta 41: they used to spawn fairly frequently in kitchen cabinets, but this is no longer the case in Beta 41, and the "containers" that I have found them in are generally extremely rare in the areas around Rosewood, especially since the Farming Warehouses in the outskirts (the only place where you'll find more than 2 crates in one location) have their loot tables replaced with sacks of vegetables.

So if you're bee-lining for seeds, focus on crates or the rare shed with wooden cupboards in it, or (very rarely) cars/truck beds.

[Itharus]

I'll try :-/

Originally posted by Shady Allie:

I think I saw in the code an if then statement. Something like:
If Itharus looks for seeds, then delete ALL seeds.

Later in the same code block is another statement, something along the lines of:
If Itharus finds seeds after 100 days, Add seeds to every bin searched thereafter.

Good luck!

Probably -_-

[eeyan]

There's a small farming community North of Rosewood, about half way to Riverside- I found seeds there.