Fog of war

[Ice Cold]

So, I bought this game a long while ago, and always wanted to get into it, but one thing always makes me leave it: the reset of the fog of war. Every time I load the game, the fog of war resets, and all that I had explored is now black again. This means I constantly get lost, even on places I explroed countless of times, and it always makes me leave the game.
Has the devs even mentioned when they are gonna fix this bug? or is there any mod that fixes it and ensures that what you have explored remains as explored?. To clarify, by explored I dont mean visible, I mean as not being a black screen that doesnt let me remember where the heck that building I looted yesterday was.

[J's]

1) This is good that you started your own thread to discuss this issue.

2) However, I'm not sure I see the issue... at least not the way you describe it (fog of war). Usualy fog of war is a term used so that you don't know the map/mini-map unless you've explored it first. Then, in games where it applies, you either see everything that's going on on discovered land, or you have a more hybrid scenario where you know the lay of the land but won't see what's happening unless you're in viewing distance somehow (take Civilization for example, you may see the general land but unless you have troops or cities nearby you won't see unit movement). This games work differently, there is no overal map to see. Everything is limited by what you can perceive with your senses (sight or sound).

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by J's:

1) This is good that you started your own thread to discuss this issue.

2) However, I'm not sure I see the issue... at least not the way you describe it (fog of war). Usualy fog of war is a term used so that you don't know the map/mini-map unless you've explored it first. Then, in games where it applies, you either see everything that's going on on discovered land, or you have a more hybrid scenario where you know the lay of the land but won't see what's happening unless you're in viewing distance somehow (take Civilization for example, you may see the general land but unless you have troops or cities nearby you won't see unit movement). This games work differently, there is no overal map to see. Everything is limited by what you can perceive with your senses (sight or sound).

You dont understand my point. I like the game's fog of war. What I dont like is that all that I have explored resets when I load game. I play the game, explore an entire city, then I gotta leave the game, and when I return, everything is black again, the fog of war has covered everything again.

The whole cone of vision and not seeing everything is great, its just I dont want everything to reset as unexplored everytime I load the game.

[J's]

Originally posted by sebiarena:

Originally posted by J's:

1) This is good that you started your own thread to discuss this issue.

2) However, I'm not sure I see the issue... at least not the way you describe it (fog of war). Usualy fog of war is a term used so that you don't know the map/mini-map unless you've explored it first. Then, in games where it applies, you either see everything that's going on on discovered land, or you have a more hybrid scenario where you know the lay of the land but won't see what's happening unless you're in viewing distance somehow (take Civilization for example, you may see the general land but unless you have troops or cities nearby you won't see unit movement). This games work differently, there is no overal map to see. Everything is limited by what you can perceive with your senses (sight or sound).

You dont understand my point. I like the game's fog of war. What I dont like is that all that I have explored resets when I load game. I play the game, explore an entire city, then I gotta leave the game, and when I return, everything is black again, the fog of war has covered everything again.

The whole cone of vision and not seeing everything is great, its just I dont want everything to reset as unexplored everytime I load the game.

I agree I may not understand your point. My experience, despite my hour count, is somewhat limited.

Quite frankly, I have not noticed what you are talking about (mainly due to long bout of building, then looting, rinse and repeat). Since you insist about this, I'll try to notice this on my next looting trip that's by definition in another game session. I'll keep you posted with my observations.

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by J's:

Originally posted by sebiarena:

You dont understand my point. I like the game's fog of war. What I dont like is that all that I have explored resets when I load game. I play the game, explore an entire city, then I gotta leave the game, and when I return, everything is black again, the fog of war has covered everything again.

The whole cone of vision and not seeing everything is great, its just I dont want everything to reset as unexplored everytime I load the game.

I agree I may not understand your point. My experience, despite my hour count, is somewhat limited.

Quite frankly, I have not noticed what you are talking about (mainly due to long bout of building, then looting, rinse and repeat). Since you insist about this, I'll try to notice this on my next looting trip that's by definition in another game session. I'll keep you posted with my observations.

Wait... what do you mean you haven't noticed it? when you load the game, all that you explored is gone and everything is black again, as it looks when you start a new game, which is extremelly annoying cause you loose all that you have explored. What's there to notice about it?.

[J's]

Originally posted by sebiarena:

Originally posted by J's:

I agree I may not understand your point. My experience, despite my hour count, is somewhat limited.

Quite frankly, I have not noticed what you are talking about (mainly due to long bout of building, then looting, rinse and repeat). Since you insist about this, I'll try to notice this on my next looting trip that's by definition in another game session. I'll keep you posted with my observations.

Wait... what do you mean you haven't noticed it? when you load the game, all that you explored is gone and everything is black again, as it looks when you start a new game, which is extremelly annoying cause you loose all that you have explored. What's there to notice about it?.

Seriously, I did not see this issue at all in hundreds of hours. But as seriously, I will look into it objectively.

My firsts hypothesis here is : (a) we don't have the same reference frame (but you seem to disagree on that) ; (b) there is something I don't see that you do.

A video of your gaming experience would go a long way for me to compare experiences.

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by J's:

Originally posted by sebiarena:

Wait... what do you mean you haven't noticed it? when you load the game, all that you explored is gone and everything is black again, as it looks when you start a new game, which is extremelly annoying cause you loose all that you have explored. What's there to notice about it?.

Seriously, I did not see this issue at all in hundreds of hours. But as seriously, I will look into it objectively.

My firsts hypothesis here is : (a) we don't have the same reference frame (but you seem to disagree on that) ; (b) there is something I don't see that you do.

A video of your gaming experience would go a long way for me to compare experiences.

Basically, this:

Image 1 is before I close the game:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366372202

Image 2 is after I open and load the game the next day:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366373112

Everything I explored is black again. That's what I am talking about. All that I have explored is gone and I have to start exploring again. No game does this. Any and all games that have fog of war remember what you explored and when you load a save game all that you have already explored remains already explored, not black all over again.

[J's]

Extremely interesting, I did not noticed that... but seeing now very clearly what you are talking about, I will look for that and try my best to understand the possible impacts (including some test runs).

I will get back to you on this but I will need time.

Edit : I also agree that on principle, usualy FoW is a once in a game kind of deal... but I need to gather more personal data before I get back to you.

[the-phil]

Sebiarena there isn't really a fog of war in this game there is a line of sight and it is not normal for area outside your line of sight to be black.

Does running out of the area and running back fix the problem? If you turn around does the black area stay behind your character?

Make sure your video drivers are up to date, verify file integrity for the game. Pirated copies of windows or the game may be another cause.

You may want to post the type of video card, driver version and screenshots on the indiestone forum as a bug report here[theindiestone.com]

[J's]

Yep, can confirm that you can indeed see where you've been in a game session, but once you close it, it loose that part.

I did that in my insanely large base alone (which is a safe place) and noticed that spots where dark until I saw them again. Moving back away from said spot I could still see them as discovered. That is until I close the game again.

Unfortunately, I don't see this as a critical issue because it took a fresh pair of eyes (yours) to point it to me after hundreds of hours. There is something there, I agree. But it's not something I would deem to need fixing.

(Once you know the lay of the land, you don't actualy need to see it to make your way. If it's a way to mark where you've been, might I suggest a "hop of the thumb" approach? It translate in french as "le petit poucet", a fable where the hero (a young kid) found his way back with stones laid out at regular interval... I strongly suggest plastic bags that you can sometimes find in 80 stack inside some tote bag... edit : or you can use this technique partly to mark looted houses, whatever feels better to you.)

[J's]

Originally posted by the-phil:

Sebiarena there isn't really a fog of war in this game there is a line of sight and it is not normal for area outside your line of sight to be black.
(...)

There is, I can confirm that from testing a log-off and reload just inside my base (it's the 3 houses near the 2 docks on the WP river, with a full enclosed walls).
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366313528
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366313777

Going away from seen spot I see the terrain, but it needs to be discovered again every log-in.

Just do a simple test : run around 2-3 houses a couple of times ; close the game and reload ; notice the difference?

[J's]

Here is a quick test of loggin off/in inside my own base :
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366389672
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366389881
Basicaly, I see the same thing as OP but I stand on my opinion about it being minor since it took OP's post for me to notice it after hundreds of hours.

[the-phil]

I see what you are saying J's, good example shots thanks! I honestly never noticed the fog of war, it's so subtle when your running around the map. I thought the OP was saying it was black behind them at all times or the area never became visible if they turned around.

[Hatesu]

See what you are talking about but don't see a problem. You can see around your character and that's really all that matters. Navigation is just a matter of memory and has nothing to do with so called fog of war. It has little to no impact on gameplay that I can see. If you can't remember what houses you explored maybe you should consider the spray paint mod that lets you paint markings. I generally explore houses in order so I typically know what houses I've hit and which ones I have not. That or I explore major land marks like the book store or police station.

[Chuc]

I play the vehicle build and i have noticed this. But it was to my understanding that everything outside of your veiw will eventually go back to back once a certain time has passed.

In the vehicle build everything behind a wall goes instantly black once your on the other side

Originally posted by J's:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366389672

So i dont really get this ^ on my game. Everything on the other side of that fence would be black for me

[print]

Yes i have noticed this. Good point. Not neccasarily a good use of the phrase.