Is it just me or are guns broken.

[Val-ient]

I started up a new survival world, and got a pretty good haul right off, including a 308 rifle and an m9. later on i ended up getting overrun, about 6 zombies had me corned, and i was both over-exhausted and Ridiculously tired, so i decided screw it, melee isn't doing any damage so i'll just shoot em. i pull out my m9, and aim. all the zombies have a red outline, and though im concerned i figure its just because of the distance, and i keep my sights on the zombies. i end up waiting till the muzzle is *IN THE ZOMBIES FACE* and i still get no green outline. i try firing a shot and sure enough it somehow misses despite the barrel being a mere inch from the zombies face. i back up and pull out the rifle, and the exact same thing happens.

My point of all this is: nobody, and i mean nobody, can miss when you touch the gun to the target. at the ranges I'm firing at the muzzle blast alone would be damaging. with the severe detriment firing a gun already is, they should be way more useful than they already are. anything other than a shotgun is worthless unless you practice your aim, which is hard because of ammo's rarity.

This just feels horribly broken. Guns are really only used in last stand situations, and since 90% of guns can't be used unless you're skilled in them, it cheapens what would otherwise be a cool moment. rather than having a cool final last stand and being satisfied i went out fighting, i feel frustrated at dying by what feels like horrible game design.

[snK]

ok

[Death to intel]

They want to redo guns completely but if didn't level up the skill the game is under the assumption you've never held a gun in your life. Use shotguns if you want to use guns in the early game without leveling up your aiming skill. Also panic makes aiming really really hard, moving and trying to shoot also will ruin your accuracy. Pistols are the hardest guns to use kinda like real life.

[Scub]

You where probably panicked as well which didn't help. My theory on firearms is pretty simple. If I can't level up using a shotgun to at least level 4 aiming I don't use them. If you have a saw you can create a sawed off shotgun.

I had one run where I was able to locate a shotgun as well as a couple of boxes of shotgun ammo near the start. I leveled quickly to 4 aiming. Some say you need level 5. Might be true but for me once I hit level 4 aiming things got alot better. In solo play I rarely bother leveling aiming to use rifles and pistols. Just my playstyle.

[Val-ient]

Originally posted by Revenge Bucket:

They want to redo guns completely but if didn't level up the skill the game is under the assumption you've never held a gun in your life. Use shotguns if you want to use guns in the early game without leveling up your aiming skill. Also panic makes aiming really really hard, moving and trying to shoot also will ruin your accuracy. Pistols are the hardest guns to use kinda like real life.

yeah, yeah i realize all those things. i wasnt moving, i waited for them to come to me, up until the muzzle was in their face, as i said. and yeah i realized the pistol would be hard to aim and switched to a rifle. like i get all these factors that make it hard to aim, but i literally waited until i'd stuck the muzzle in their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mouth...

[DefaultForHire]

check if the gun has a scope on it if ur useing x2 scopes on ur shotgun u can hit anything close to u

[Shadow Draxis]

level up aiming with a shotgun first.

[Korhal]

Point is, "average joe/jane", who never hold a gun, might even be having trouble putting a magazine into it without any hazzle yet racking it as well.

I know, as in regards to gamers and videogames in general, we are all highly skilled, invincible "CoD"-gun and CQC combatants, who'd easily would disarm Spetznaz and Mossad units with ease barehanded while avoiding crossfire, yet PZ is a little different in that and treats anything below 5 as average and anything with a zero as basically "never seen, never used".

[Pure Hostility]

If you have no skill in aiming, anything but shotguns won't hit a side of a barn.

AFAIK being tired and exhausted don't do anything to aiming, but panic DRASTICALLY lowrs your aiming, which with no skills in it basically means you are randomly swinging your arms in all directions and pulling the trigger.

Once you get aim to 3 or 4, you can start using other guns than pistols (beta blockers should be used for reducing the panic), you will see how you can now quickly acquire your targets even with pistols.

[Pierce No Monitor]

Plenty of people would miss point blank in that circumstance. Hell a lot of people would drop the gun. The game is supposed to be hard. Id imagine you in game if you have no skill in shooting youve never held a gun before. so you pull out a gun youve never even fire before while surrounded and panicking, your hands are sweaty, your mind is telling you youre going to die. Its a miracle you dont just freeze there in panic honestly or drop the gun on the floor.

People act like this game is unrealistic because they are used to playing as super soldiers with magical bullet healing abilities.

You still play as a super human in this game. your injuries heal in hours to days, you have incredible stamina, you have incredible will to live, great motor eye coordination. If you want to make it easier go into the sandbox settings. theres different difficulties for a reason.

[Glenn from Discord]

They don't want the game to become an arcade shooter. DayZ fell into this trap. When you start playing DayZ, sure the zombies are a threat. Soon after you find the learning curve of how the zeds play, it's easy to kite them from desired locations to loot. Once you have a gun, you rarely fight zombies and shift your focus on other players. Heck, once I joined a clan of 5 guys we didn't even care the game had zombies. We'd fix a helicopter and have dog fights in the sky with other clans on the server. My point is: once you have a gun in DayZ it's no longer a zombie survival game, it's a PVP realistic shooter with zombies in the back ground.

While I do understand the sentiment of making guns more powerful, I also don't want it to fall into the problem of being over powered so you never have to worry about zombies again.

If you want to play a more gunner game you can tweak sandbox settings to have guns and ammo abundant, and waste ammo to gain your skill in firearms faster. You can set a high XP multiplier too so you gain skills even faster.

The argument over guns has been one that's been had ever since the game dropped. I personally like how they're set right now, but I'd like to see more improvements. I'd like to be able to build a shooting range that actively increases your fire arm skills by using it. Maybe add more then just range and reload attributed to skills. I just don't want them over powered. I think it's cool that finding a fire arm doesn't auto turn you to Rambo. There's plenty of zombie games that have that feel, and that's why I play PZ over the plethora of other titles out there that are just to arcady.

[Tradesman]

Get some Duct tape.

[The Scat Master]

I think it's realistic that you wouldn't be accurate when you might've never held a gun before and you are panicked from seeing 30 corpses shambling towards you

[Andy Mil]

I suggest
they should make animation of your dude hand shaking or something cuz it totally not making sense with barrel up to the face but still miss and also feel like we need hip firing cuz we like robot right now

[Pierce No Monitor]

Or just stop being garbage and get good at the game

[Val-ient]

i wish i could delete most of your comments. 90% of you miss the point.

Originally posted by Mi:

I suggest
they should make animation of your dude hand shaking or something cuz it totally not making sense with barrel up to the face but still miss and also feel like we need hip firing cuz we like robot right now

you get it. your character is holding a gun firmly out in front of them with proper stance and everything. it looks and feels like you know what your doing, it FEELS like hitreg doesnt work.

my point was not that i wish i COULD hit the zombies, but that it FELT BROKEN. Adding something like shaky hands or the character holding the pistol wrong or with one hand would make this feel a lot better.

Originally posted by The Scat Master:

I think it's realistic that you wouldn't be accurate when you might've never held a gun before and you are panicked from seeing 30 corpses shambling towards you

this doesnt matter, because the barrel of the gun is LITERALLY CLIPPING INSIDE THE ZOMBIE. there is no physical way

Originally posted by Korhal:

PZ is a little different in that and treats anything below 5 as average and anything with a zero as basically "never seen, never used".

this wouldn't matter. if my character is brave enough to swing a bat and connect with their face repeatedly while walking backwards from a group of 4 zombies, he has enough wherewithal to hold a gun steady enough to not miss something literally inches from the barrel, again at a range where the MUZZLE BLAST IS DEADLY.

Originally posted by Pierce(No Monitor):

Or just stop being garbage and get good at the game

this has nothing to do with skill. a character who has killed 500 zombies should be able to hold a gun steady enough to hit a target a foot or two away, let alone inches.

i have no issue with the guns stats. i have an issue with the gun*play*. all y'all getting angry over "get good" just refuse to admit a problem that i had heard about and knew complaints about before i bought the gun.

also! by coming in and just insulting me rather than actually having a civil debate about what could be done to alleviate the issues, you decide to belittle me and anyone who thinks like me. stop starting fights by telling me to get good, you know that will only crate anger.