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Project Zomboid

Manu Jul 13, 2021 @ 2:50pm
Changing tires needs mechanic skills? c'mon!
It's something even a Karen can do. How come I need mechanic skill to even be able to attempt removing a tire? I got the jack and the wrench, how come I can't change tires?
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Flare |UKCS| Jul 13, 2021 @ 2:56pm 
Its a game, when was the last time your Karen had to deal with a Z ?
I mean come on I would fill my bath tub with water, I cant do that in game.. I would do a lot of things... I cant do that in game.
Its a game some stuff is not possible at this time, get over it and play around it... its a game.
Manu Jul 13, 2021 @ 3:04pm 
Sorry but that's a very poor argument. Yes, it's a game, that is as true and relevant to the point as my cat being a mammal.

It's a realistic game and by the standards the game presents, changing a tire should be a high chance of success. 65% is very low, means almost half of the times I'd lose the tire.

And it's also VERY MOST THAN ANYTHING possible to change it, it's just a % number. Changing it it's about changing the base chance number, meaning 2 characters.

I think they should increase the chance of success for tire changing
westrud Jul 13, 2021 @ 3:05pm 
I doubt most drivers could change a tire, although in 1993 when this game takes place it would have been a much higher percentage. Also I believe you can change tires in this game with no mechanic skill, just with a chance to cause a little damage to the tire.
Flare |UKCS| Jul 13, 2021 @ 3:12pm 
I may be able to change a tire, but can I do such with the undead wondering about... to be frank I would not be able to do such if I was worried about the undead, I would be more worried about a lot of stuff, tire changing is not one of such.
Yes, a normal person could change a tire but its not a normal situation and not a normal game... you need to aquire skill to change a tire, you need to adjust to a abnormal situation and to the fact its a game.
Its a game, I am sure the devs would love to predict all the possible things, but they cant... its a game.
planetalgol Jul 13, 2021 @ 3:46pm 
If everyone could change a tire then nobody would charge money for the service. And people indeed do make money from that.

AAA does a lot of tire changes for people on the side of the road.
Manu Jul 13, 2021 @ 7:49pm 
Originally posted by planetalgol:
If everyone could change a tire then nobody would charge money for the service. And people indeed do make money from that.

AAA does a lot of tire changes for people on the side of the road.

Well, different realities I see, we make fun of people who need assistance to do it, the good thing about not having people to do your stuff is that you don't turn yourself into a useless dependant citizen.
In the context of a zombie holocaust it's hardly arguable. I doubt somebody would try to reach assistance and then file a complaint to customer service or leave the car. It is really nothing out of this world. The only thing you wouldn't know by common sense is to place the jack correctly to avoid damaging the soft parts of the car (not english speaker). The chasis has some spots along sides, if you miss them you damage the car but has no effect on the funktionality or prevent you from repeating the process.
then it's unscrewing, picking up old wheel, place new wheel (ever played lego?) and then screw. No PHD needed.
65% seems to me like a very unrealistic low chance of success, but it's subjective
Father Soup Jul 13, 2021 @ 10:00pm 
Originally posted by Joe78man:
It's something even a Karen can do. How come I need mechanic skill to even be able to attempt removing a tire? I got the jack and the wrench, how come I can't change tires?

As in the real world, you need to learn how to do it. I wasn't taught how to change a tire (although I did learn)
As a man who worked with cars on car service station IRL without any guides or learning in vocational school i can approve that changing tires is simple job when you have two jacks and wrench
Sunday Driver Jul 14, 2021 @ 1:10am 
You could say that you do need mechanic skill to do very basic fixes, it's just that anyone with sense would have that skill if they use a car. I have heard of IRL cases of people never checking or changing the oil in their car ever and just running it until it goes dry and then seizes up and people who will resort to calling someone out for just a flat tire, so you really do get clueless people.
Manu Jul 15, 2021 @ 8:37pm 
Originally posted by Hoxilicious:
You could say that you do need mechanic skill to do very basic fixes, it's just that anyone with sense would have that skill if they use a car. I have heard of IRL cases of people never checking or changing the oil in their car ever and just running it until it goes dry and then seizes up and people who will resort to calling someone out for just a flat tire, so you really do get clueless people.

Yup, I don't think we can justify it based on the stupidity of people in a society where they are used to have somebody else do stuff for them. This is an a pocalyptic scenario, there is no waiting for somebody else to do it or paid to do so. Even those idiots would at least attempt to change the tires themselves and given any imbecile can push, screw, turn any body can change a tire with not a single skill
Manu Jul 15, 2021 @ 8:44pm 
Originally posted by Simultazion:
Originally posted by Joe78man:
It's something even a Karen can do. How come I need mechanic skill to even be able to attempt removing a tire? I got the jack and the wrench, how come I can't change tires?

As in the real world, you need to learn how to do it. I wasn't taught how to change a tire (although I did learn)

I don't know you but I dare to say that you don't know anybody who doesn't know how to twist a handle (that would open the jack), unscrew a nut,, pick up a wheel, pick up another wheel and place it, screw nuts, untwist the handle (to lower the car) and put things away.
Seriously, there is no skill or training needed. Nobody fails the first time, it might take you extra effort or do things in the incorrect order and then correct yourself, try again, but nobody would fail at changin the tire eventually and no tire would be lost doing so.
The only thing I can think of is that the jack is missplaced and the car falls to the ground. That would be even better to happen than just "failing".
I changed one tire, once in my lifetime, that was my first time, nobody told me how to do it, I just knew what everybody might learn by watching tv or somebody else changing a tire
Manu Jul 16, 2021 @ 5:38am 
Originally posted by Tamm:
You can change it with 0 skill just by having little damage to an item.
What are you talking about ?
If that's so why everybody is discussing how hard it is in real life and what sort of skill you need? If with 0 mechanics I can change a tire in the game and the consecquence of failure is slightly damaging the tire then that's it! I was wrong.
Thanks for actually addressing the topic
ROFLpl0x (Banned) Jul 16, 2021 @ 6:07am 
The thing is, if you take it too seriously, the whole mechanics system is really sort of borked.

Think about it. When you pop a hood you see the condition of the entire car. How would you even begin to know the condition of the battery or the muffler or anything else when you don't have enough mechanics skill to change a tire without damaging it? You wouldn't, because if you don't have enough familiarity with cars to know how to change a tire, you damn sure don't have enough to identify the condition of anything else on it. You probably won't be able to identify most of the parts themselves, never mind mucking around with them.

But then, it is just a game. It's an abstraction of reality. If a big thick piece of rubber and steel takes a little damage because you have a low mechanic skill, yeah, that's silly, but it makes up for itself by your equally silly ability to have a master mechanic's understanding of your vehicle's parts and their condition.
Shady Allie Jul 16, 2021 @ 6:25am 
There ARE people on the planet that do NOT know how to change a tire.
It is absurd to think that everyone knows how or can do it.

True, it is a simple thing to do but not everyone can in real life.
It could boil down to fear...(in real life)...on a highway with cars whizzing by and never picked up tools before and suddenly plopped into a flat tire on the highway scenario.

Possibly you (not YOU you, the hypothetical you, that has never worked on a car at all - some people do not know how to pump gas either (also true)) just possibly you have no idea where to place the jack, and rip off parts of the vehicle when trying to jack it up. Maybe you did get it up, and managed to get the tire off, but the unstable jack wasn't in a good place, and tragedy strikes when the vehicle crashes down. There ARE people that have no common sense about some stuff.

Does everybody know that lug nuts must be installed in an alternating pattern, commonly referred to as a star pattern? Does it matter? Why is it a thing if it doesn't matter?

I don't know, when you or I think about it, it IS hard to believe that not everyone will be able to change a tire, but its true.
That's what I believe, you believe that everyone can do it, we won't discuss that anymore, I'm not here to change your mind about what the real world offers or not, skill wise.

BUT the game, because this is a game we are talking about:

In game terms I always thought damaging a tire on an attempt was a bit off and it made me scratch my head when I saw the tire taking damage. and I think "huh?" A tire bouncing 2 inches to the road takes damage when I drop it? That makes no sense.

To me it would seem a better chance while changing a tire to get busted knuckles from the tire iron slipping or something. Now changing a tire has a chance to better your first aid skill, because you have bloody knuckles.

Or a fail would mean the lug nuts are too tight and you need to try again. Or a fail means you forgot to loosen the lug nuts first before lifting the tire off the ground (so it doesn't just spin when you try to turn the lugs) Some people wouldn't know that and perhaps wouldn't be able to trouble shoot and fix that by lowering the tire to the ground, loosen the lugs, raise the tire...

What if there is a possibility that the lug nut snaps off the threads on the hub and now you have no way to put that lug nut back on? Can that happen in real life? Why tire damage then and not another part on the car?

Is it possible to strip the threads because you have very poor skills and don't know what you are doing with a lug wrench on the side of the highway in a zombie apocalypse?

And I leave this:

MOD it. The game can be modded to be what you want. Everyone has access to the game files and can change it up.
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Date Posted: Jul 13, 2021 @ 2:50pm
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