With all due respect maybe the pricing needs to be looked at

[nobsterthelobster]

Note this comment refers to sale prices during the steam summer sale 2021.

I understand that each situation is different but as it stands what is available is an arguably unfinished product asking 9 euro for a single licence, compared with 14 euro for a 4 pack of terraria. Obviously these games are very different and at different stages of their development cycle but I don't think anyone could say that as it stands project zomboid offers more value for money versus teraria.

Maybe terraria is too much of an exceptional case and too different a genre so lets instead consider 7 days to die. This game is also zombie survival, has also spent several years in early access and similar to zomboid is still in early access, yet it is currently available for 2 for 11 euro. At the very least 7 days to die offers similar content to project zomboid (if not more.)

Look maybe zomboid is worth 9 euro and hopefully eventually a lot more but my personal experience was rough and I decided to refund. I have kept the game in the wishlist and i'm hopeful for the future (I really think your onto something) but I would definitely have been more forgiving if the price was more competitive. Regardless I'm sure you know what your game is worth and I wish you all the best.

[Death]

Oh Zomboid is definitely worth the asking price even when not on sale and there won't be a sale better than the one they give so as to not screw over their early adoptors who paid around $5 USD. That said though the price will also be going up presumably after the next beta build goes to the stable branch. So I recommend that if it's something you might be interested in, then you might want to buy in soon. Just my 2 cents.

[Radiosity]

*looks at his 150+ hours*

Yeah, can't say I agree.

Also, did you actually play the Build 41 version? Or the woeful B40 that Steam defaults to? Because yeah, B40 ain't great, but B41 is.

[Jesus Christ]

Zomboid should be $30

[CaptainBinky]

I'm not sure it's suuuper fair to compare us to 7D2D on pricing just because that game happens to be on a very deep discount this sale, when out of sales it's almost three times the price of Zomboid ;)

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Originally posted by Dargsy:

Zomboid should be $30

This.

[DarkFaceGlow]

The amount of work they put into this game, they should be charging $50

[DivineEvil]

Originally posted by CaptainBinky:

I'm not sure it's suuuper fair to compare us to 7D2D on pricing just because that game happens to be on a very deep discount this sale, when out of sales it's almost three times the price of Zomboid ;)

This.

People keep refunding and complaining without even realizing what makes PZ shine over other zombie games.

Used this thread as an opportunity to look at the progress with 7D2D only to realize it was on my Ignore list the entire time.

[nobsterthelobster]

Originally posted by CaptainBinky:

I'm not sure it's suuuper fair to compare us to 7D2D on pricing just because that game happens to be on a very deep discount this sale, when out of sales it's almost three times the price of Zomboid ;)

But that is actually the whole point of the post.

Right now one game is significantly better value versus the other and whether you think the comparison is fair or not, that is the simple reality none the less.

With that said you obviously have a lot of people here very passionate about the game and apparently willing to spend several times the asking price so who knows maybe you should actually be charging more :)

Anyway I look forward to trying this game again in the future.

[Brainslug]

I'd pay triple. BTW, is there a Patreon? And if not, why?

I feel guilty getting so much hours of fun for so little money.

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Originally posted by nobsterthelobster:

But that is actually the whole point of the post.

Sound more like greed to me, i want more stuff for less money. Nothing more and nothing less.

[nobsterthelobster]

Originally posted by Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|:

Originally posted by nobsterthelobster:

But that is actually the whole point of the post.

Sound more like greed to me, i want more stuff for less money. Nothing more and nothing less.

:gilga:

Well sure I'd be lying if I said I didn't want more for less. I think we all want more for less, that is just human nature.

If one company is providing that versus another then its simple economics about which consumers will choose. That is just how the world works. This post was about highlighting such a discrepancy.

[CaptainBinky]

Originally posted by nobsterthelobster:

But that is actually the whole point of the post.

Right now one game is significantly better value versus the other and whether you think the comparison is fair or not, that is the simple reality none the less.

With that said you obviously have a lot of people here very passionate about the game and apparently willing to spend several times the asking price so who knows maybe you should actually be charging more :)

Anyway I look forward to trying this game again in the future.

Sure - but this is just one specific sale. There will be times when our game is on sale and others are not. I just don't think sale price comparisons are tremendously useful when sale discounts vary, frequency of sale vary - the only real comparison point is what the price is outside of sales. And I daresay that had we priced our game higher to begin with - say, twice the price - we might have sold the same number of units but made twice the money, and could then afford to be considerably more generous in our sales.

Our approach was always to sell our game at a price point which we considered excellent value for money outside of sales - an affordable price which is lower than what I would consider our game's value - and we are one of the lowest priced games of this kind of scope. Other games position themselves at, what I would consider, a greatly over-inflated price-tag rather fleecing people who are wealthy enough to buy games at those sorts of prices and then hoover up sales from those who can't during deep discount sales. It's a strategy - it's probably an effective strategy - but it's not a strategy I would consider particularly ethical.

[nobsterthelobster]

Originally posted by EnigmaGrey:

Yes, but pz is a bit different in that it never sold for a high price early on. It started for around 5 dollars and gradually moved to 15 dollars (with most people only buying it on sale for almost half off). In addition to that, it’s a less popular game than either of those two.

That is to say, between their popularity and high price early on, they can afford much larger discounts at this point.

Yes that is a fair point and I said at the very beginning that each situation is different. Thanks for all the replies.

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Originally posted by nobsterthelobster:

Well sure I'd be lying if I said I didn't want more for less. I think we all want more for less, that is just human nature.

Nope.

I want that this game will last for a long while, and the devs have to pay bills, you also have to consider the 30% cut from Valve.

So TIS doesn`t earn much money at all and during sales it feels more like they are loosing money.

I just bought another copy for a friend, just because i like to support this game.

[nobsterthelobster]

Originally posted by CaptainBinky:

Sure - but this is just one specific sale. There will be times when our game is on sale and others are not. I just don't think sale price comparisons are tremendously useful when sale discounts vary, frequency of sale vary - the only real comparison point is what the price is outside of sales. And I daresay that had we priced our game higher to begin with - say, twice the price - we might have sold the same number of units but made twice the money, and could then afford to be considerably more generous in our sales.

Our approach was always to sell our game at a price point which we considered excellent value for money outside of sales - an affordable price which is lower than what I would consider our game's value - and we are one of the lowest priced games of this kind of scope. Other games position themselves at, what I would consider, a greatly over-inflated price-tag rather fleecing people who are wealthy enough to buy games at those sorts of prices and then hoover up sales from those who can't during deep discount sales. It's a strategy - it's probably an effective strategy - but it's not a strategy I would consider particularly ethical.

Thank you for the detailed response

While I agree with pretty much everything you've said and commend your ethics when I see both games in store side by side in the summer sale then that is the comparison I'm going to make. I'm just not going to factor in anything else, whether your game is actually better value outside of the sale won't affect my purchasing decisions there and then.

Maybe this topic should be closed though. I think everything has been said at this point.

I do honestly look forward to this game getting its full release. I wish you every success.