Project Zomboid

Project Zomboid

LX206_05 Oct 24, 2020 @ 6:57am
Way to many Zombies on normal apocalypse mode
So I noticed that in my game, are UNREALISTIC amount of Zombies. Some examples.

-10-15 Zombies in a big house.
-Groups that contains 20 or more Zombies. (Almost every group)
-Zombie groups behind almost EVERY corner I walk around.

I dont know if its because of the update that came I think yesterday, but most of the time im just fleeing, till I die. There is no way that those amount of Zombies is normal.

I am not bad at PZ, im probably just like most of the other PZ players, a casual player you know? But I legit cant loot a house peacefully. Alltough that amount of Zombies is not always, its acutally kinda rare, but still. There are like 4-5 times more Zombos than normally. And isnt fun anymore.
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Zorlond Oct 24, 2020 @ 7:41am 
I don't even play on Apocalypse, and I got stuck in a non-stop run going from my start point to the logging camp. No exploring, no stopping for breath, no fighting, no sneaking.
milo29 Oct 24, 2020 @ 7:47am 
It's called apocalypse. For sure, you can't rush. I'm currently testing a build stealth looting at night, sleeping the day. Started with burglar. I never engage except if I have one or two z max.
I started to use alarm clock to attrack z. But yes you can't rush and kill them.

Nordil(Hun) Oct 24, 2020 @ 10:16am 
A new update came out but that did not change anything regarding the zombie numbers.

The thing is depends where you start. If you choose west point well you will meet zombies every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ corner. Even with sneaking and the like it is very hard, because downtown is truely and verily infested. If you lead one bunch or several away, another will take their place.

West point without a guy who has decent STR and Endurance (around 4 and at least 2 end), is very hard. Is doable, but lot of time wasted just to clear places, and likely you will find safe haven outside town. The time you waste could be used to get the precious food from the stores, but they are in the RED ZONE. Where infestation is the greatest and respawn as well. Also not that easy to get a safe place in town at the start is mostly luck. If you find a car with gas and key, then you are okay.

In Muldraugh it is easier. Allthough the town has more empty spaces then the others, so it is spread out, and no supermarker so harder to get and collect food.
Rosewood, supermarket and 2-3 restaurants are near, so not that hard. It also has a number of viable safe houses.
Riverside, is probably the easiest town currently. However it can still surprise you, but I am allways able to loot out the major food supplies places.

I just started a run with a Veteran. 0 str 0 endurance. Not a single skill taken that adds bonus to anything. I only took fast learner cuz in the past it used to add a bonus to your str and endurance gain too. Not anymore sadly. (Chose very weak, very unfit, very underfed, thirsty, smoker, peaceful and slow healer. As a bonus, i chose wakeful, agile, dextrous, organised, nature lover, nutritient specialist, cat's eyes, fast learner, oh and the perk where you are less likely spotted.) Playing in Riverside.
I literally started right across the Wreckers, in the empty house. Had nothing to use on my guy.
I raided first the bar(killed 3 zombies along the way i could not get rid of.) Found a baseball bat, so i had my first weapon. Went over to the food market, raided all spoilable food took it to the bar's fridge placed it in freezer. Went to the normal store, again all spoilable food taken. Then to the harmburger shop. Alarm, grab all food, get to bar store food away.
Go to spiffos all food in the fridges. Went to the butcher+cafe shop, all food in the freezers.
Supermarket all food in the freezers, And finally the last food market again all food in the freezers.
This literally took my guy 2 days. (Coffee+vitamin to stay awake)
Then i raided the schools to store their foods as well. And i luckily found my first bag, a military duffel bag, shortly thereafter the big hiking one, so now i am able to at least carry things.

On the third day i was already over 80 zombies killed and level 1 STR:D

Zorlond Oct 24, 2020 @ 10:47am 
Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):
If you choose west point well you will meet zombies every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ corner.

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In Muldraugh it is easier.
I started in Muldraugh. There was a zombie every ten feet. Not every corner, every ten feet.
milo29 Oct 24, 2020 @ 10:51am 
With Burglar, 350 hours in Apolypse mode, at Muldraugh at night it's easy. l can kill all alone z with stealth kill, using just a stone knife.

My objective is to find all beginner books, principaly carpentry and receive the helicopter far from my future base.

After that, I want to rush foraging, fishing, farming, carpentry (for water containers), trapping then going to explore anywhere with a solid stealth build.

I want also to experiment certain things. Using alarm clock to attrack z and oven to burn food to fire and kill them all
Last edited by milo29; Oct 24, 2020 @ 10:52am
Nordil(Hun) Oct 24, 2020 @ 11:28am 
Originally posted by Zorlond:
Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):
If you choose west point well you will meet zombies every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ corner.

...

In Muldraugh it is easier.
I started in Muldraugh. There was a zombie every ten feet. Not every corner, every ten feet.


Which part? Because the trailer parks are deadly. So are the small house areas the safest area, beside the walled in house, is actually the rich neighbourhood south of the Physicians home, usually.
zebra03 Oct 24, 2020 @ 3:10pm 
Originally posted by ⚚♕Mr.SisterFister♕⚚:
So I noticed that in my game, are UNREALISTIC amount of Zombies. Some examples.

-10-15 Zombies in a big house.
-Groups that contains 20 or more Zombies. (Almost every group)
-Zombie groups behind almost EVERY corner I walk around.

I dont know if its because of the update that came I think yesterday, but most of the time im just fleeing, till I die. There is no way that those amount of Zombies is normal.

I am not bad at PZ, im probably just like most of the other PZ players, a casual player you know? But I legit cant loot a house peacefully. Alltough that amount of Zombies is not always, its acutally kinda rare, but still. There are like 4-5 times more Zombos than normally. And isnt fun anymore.

The zombie population is too high for what the town can hold, so using
https://map.projectzomboid.com/#0.5,0.2318181818181818,0.923073295667218
I will try to determine the highest population of Westpoint can hold in its residential areas

Lets use West point as an example, I won't include couches to determine the actual population it could have in reality

The number of bed rooms in a big house(2 level), is 2 bedrooms with 2 person capacity
about 4 people average would live in each house judging by the number of beds


The number of bed rooms in a small house(1 level), is 2-3 average with the capicity for 2 people most of the time

I counted to aproximately 77 big houses at Westpoint
And 95 small houses(1 level)

which means that there are 308 people that live in the big houses
and 190 people that live in the small houses, in the most extreme case if every house was filled to its capacity of people it can hold

Which means that the residential population of Westpoint is 498 people, Not including the Hotel + motel and the shops with an upstairs bedroom.

If your numbers are accurate and there are 10-15 zombies in the big houses then...

The population from the big houses alone is 1155 undead who used to be human
IF there were 15 zombies in each big house


498 people is the capacitiy for Westpoint YET 617 people come out of no where
since if you go to other towns there seems to be a ton of zombies but not as much as westpoint though

My counting and mathamatics might be off so it might be much more lower than what I have found out, this was crudely made in a short amount of time so sorry if ya confused

Tl;dr Westpoint residential capacity is 498 people but the numbers you suggest means that the population is much more higher than it would be
Last edited by zebra03; Oct 24, 2020 @ 3:15pm
Nordil(Hun) Oct 24, 2020 @ 4:06pm 
Rosewood in math wise is even worse.:)

but if you listen to the radio it states that folks are driving up north! And i am guessing West point is north
zebra03 Oct 24, 2020 @ 5:49pm 
Yet if you drive to other towns in apocalypse mode, they seem pretty populated anyway.
Adding a million zombies doesn't add to survival element, it just makes it harder to get to places
DarkFaceGlow Oct 24, 2020 @ 6:20pm 
Honestly, even one zombie would be unrealistic.... being they aren’t real to begin with :)
FR@NK Oct 24, 2020 @ 6:42pm 
The only hard part of apocalypse is the helicopter event.
Nordil(Hun) Oct 24, 2020 @ 8:48pm 
Originally posted by FR@NK:
The only hard part of apocalypse is the helicopter event.

And it just became harder:(
Had though luck. As in really bad luck.
I had a storm during my 8th and 9th day. A huge summer storm, basicly visibility was down to zero, barely was able to get back to my base. And then the thunderstorm also started....which alone drives zeds crazy, but then i could hear very mildly the Helicoter.
Basicly this literally got my exit point blocked.
I think the helicpter event shoudl not occur during such weather, since it is no weather for flight.
I have now around 200 zeds southwest by the wreckers fence.(Well is one way to get your STR up faster and your Endurance too, fast learner gives apparantly 3 points to str and 1 point to endurance per hit. Unless it is a new update.) Was also a decent way to gain two levels with shooting. Damn happy i took veteran.
earlyshooter Oct 24, 2020 @ 11:38pm 
I always thought that the zombie population was due to migration from larger towns
milo29 Oct 24, 2020 @ 11:55pm 
Originally posted by FR@NK:
The only hard part of apocalypse is the helicopter event.

The helicopter is not hard. Open the dors of your house. Take food, water, books to read/learn xp, radio with headphone and stay in you bedroom for two day.

Else you can go out and attract all z event anywhere you want with just walking

This event is impressive the first or second time you play, after that you can manage it relatively easily.
Last edited by milo29; Oct 24, 2020 @ 11:56pm
milo29 Oct 25, 2020 @ 12:05am 
What to remember from this game, b41. This is not a anymore a fight game. Playing randomly is not really an option.

The way to play is to go foraging, farming, fishing, trapping and decorate/protect your interior and stay like this for your entire life. All other way are dangerous challenge.

A good solution to this lack, is to copy from state of decay, by example. Having a little community, where your good chars never go out from the base and to explore you use chars that are done for exploration, combat and have less xp cost on die. This way, you save your experienced char and switch to others low chars to explore/loot.

But the npc / community system is not for now.
Last edited by milo29; Oct 25, 2020 @ 12:10am
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