I am eating like a pig and losing weight like crazy ! What the hell game !?

[crayven_ady]

Exactly what it says. I am growing literally all vegetables and cooking stew with rat meat, squirrel meat and fish of all kinds and eating like a pig 6-7 times a day half a cauldron and still LOSING weight as I sleep.
Even if i just water the garden and not cut trees all day or run around loaded i still lose weight.

Wtf is cooked food so LOW in calories ??
I started with obese and now I am afraid to keep playing because 3 months i i am at 80 but STILL DROPPING !

Help !
( Maybe I should start eating zombies )

[Peridot]

Opprinnelig skrevet av EnigmaGrey:

It's similar to reality: the best thing you can do to lose weight is eat bulky food (vegetables) and only little meat/oil/fats.

A rat a day and entire cabbage can substain no man.

As a side note, why cant we eat Spiffo dolls?

He just looks so tasty..

[SpiritRetro]

engima, hsi issue isnt that he isnt losing weight, its that he's losing weight at an extraordinary rate evne when pigging out

[Hatesu]

I started out overweight myself so I know this struggle. I basically starved quite a bit until the weight came off. Once you drop below the threshold it's a slippery slope. It helps to eat fatty foods like chips and such but you will have to pork out quite a bit. Keep in mind it make take a day or two to see the full effects of your new diet. Once you start to gain again it will gain quite rapidly so keep an eye on it and curb your eating if required. I found Salted Meat in Hydrocraft makes it particularly easy to gain weight. I have like 80 of them from all the times I forgot to feed my cows. Just eat the second you loose the full moodle and have no moodle at all. After a handful have been eaten your weight should take off and you will have to starve again to get it to stop. It may take a couple days though.

Generally I make roasts in the summer consisting of 1-2 meats and the rest veggies from the garden. Even with a high activity level the food is quite plentiful so just eat frequently if you are chopping wood or running around a lot. I thought winter would be difficult but with all the salted meat it's quite easy. I never even touched the ten or so crates of canned and jarred stuff I have.

[crayven_ady]

ehh so what the hell you can't survive on farming alone?
What about a vegan diet? They don't go "skeletal surivor".

[crayven_ady]

I'm a purist, i play with no mods - jut what the devs made.

[crayven_ady]

well I'm unemployed so no traps for me except what I found and I explored half of Muldraugh and got nothing.
So far I took up fishing but the trek there is very annoying and it has to be done every two days. And this means my base can't be very far from that tiny lake either. Also apparently you can't overfish so i will have to stop so i don't kill all fish.

This is funny,zombies are less threat than starvation lol

[DeadlyDanDaMan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av crayven_ady:

Exactly what it says. I am growing literally all vegetables and cooking stew with rat meat, squirrel meat and fish of all kinds and eating like a pig 6-7 times a day half a cauldron and still LOSING weight as I sleep.
Even if i just water the garden and not cut trees all day or run around loaded i still lose weight.

Wtf is cooked food so LOW in calories ??
I started with obese and now I am afraid to keep playing because 3 months i i am at 80 but STILL DROPPING !

Help !
( Maybe I should start eating zombies )

I wouldn't worry too much. Below 75 is the threshold for low weight. If you are at 80, you're still fine.

PS: Vegetables aren't a good source of calories, which is how you gain/lose weight (yes, im talking about real life as well). In order to reach the 2,000 calorie daily suggested limit for an average adult, you'd have to eat 12-13 potato's every day. And it wouldn't even be possible with carrots or tomatos, since each of them are about 25 calories each (so you are looking at roughly 80 carrots or tomatos, EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.) . It's all about calories my dude. Nothing else matters. Cooking food doesn't magically make it's calorie count increase.

[Hatesu]

It's not that hard. Just trap and fish for meat and grow lots of veggies. Make meals out of it and just keep well fed and you should gain. Not sure what meals are best but I remember reading stir fry was the lowest so I typically use Roasts. Even you still have trouble just eat canned foods, chips and snacks and you should get fat in no time.

[crayven_ady]

Yeah I been munching on my cans - luckily I have stacked up over 200. Problem is these WILL end up eventually.
After that I am going to end up like the Somalia guys.

[Hatesu]

The game world is pretty huge and if you have a vehicle it's trivial to travel to the next town over and raid for canned goods. With no vehicle it might be a bit of a challenge. Just remember you can gain weight with normal cooked foods but you basically have to keep that fed moodle up. It makes it a challenge to accomplish anything (read books or forage ect) while you try to pack weight back on but once you do it's pretty easy to at least slow down the loss while you are active. If you can get over being a purist then I would strongly suggest Hydrocraft as it has SO many options for food that it becomes easy to maintain weight.

[Shenji]

Opprinnelig skrevet av crayven_ady:

Yeah I been munching on my cans - luckily I have stacked up over 200. Problem is these WILL end up eventually.
After that I am going to end up like the Somalia guys.

You'll be long dead before that happens.
Also,
winter.

[cf777]

Maybe i can help out a bit. Its because the cooking and food system is unbalanced and nobody cares. The most people dont play the game long enough or use mods like hydrocraft so they dont even realize that there is a problem and so the mods and game designers too!!!

The problem is the better your cooking skill the harder it is to gain weight!
Higher cooking skill lets you cook food that stuffs more but is made of fewer ingredients.
Ingredients have calories. The higher your cooking skill the less ingredients you need to cook a dish that have enough hunger points to make you fully stuffed.
In the end effect you cant eat enough because you are stuffed but the food that you eat does not provide enough calories.

I am only a player i have not the time and the tools to fully test it out....but i posted about this problem about one year ago and nobody cares:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/0/1333474229082967735/

I think later in game when your cooking skill is high enough to use ingredients that are allready stalled you will gain weight a bit easier. Stalled ingredients have only small ammount of hunger points but full calories. Means the dishes are made from much more ingredients but dont stuff you that much. So you can consume more ingredients and gain more calories. Its long ago i tested it and not 100% sure how it works just test it out.

[yo cowards dont even smoke crack]

Opprinnelig skrevet av EnigmaGrey:

It's similar to reality: the best thing you can do to lose weight is eat bulky food (vegetables) and only little meat/oil/fats.

A rat a day and entire cabbage can substain no man.

losing weight has nothing to do with the ratio of veg to fat to protein etc. its a simple calorie equation. if calorie in is less than calorie used you lose weight. iv met quite a few veggies who are still fat because they eat alot

[76561197963493072]

Opprinnelig skrevet av EnigmaGrey:

Opprinnelig skrevet av silentpillager:

losing weight has nothing to do with the ratio of veg to fat to protein etc. its a simple calorie equation. if calorie in is less than calorie used you lose weight. iv met quite a few veggies who are still fat because they eat alot

You're mistakenly interpreting "the best thing you can do to lose weight" as antithetical to the caloric content of food impacting weight loss or gain.

Hunger is based on blood glucose caused by and the satiety (volume, among other things) of the items consumed. Similarly, hunger in the game is decoupled to an extent from the caloric content of food.

That's why the whole "just keep fed" thing will ultimately lead to you still losing weight in-game. A whole heck of a lot of cabbage might be filing, might even give you a very slight heal boost in-game, but it's not going to put the weight on.

bud you can't gain weight in your game. I've had my character eat 4 to 6 meals that in real life I wouldn't even be able to eat two of. And still lose weight. Fix your game and get the animations in there

[cf777]

Comparing PZ to reality is not a good idea:
...........................Calories in PZ...........................................................Calories in reality:
Potatos........70/fruit <-> 3,88/hunger point...............................................77 / 100g
Cabbage....178/fruit <-> 7,12/hunger point..............................................25 / 100g
Carrot...........25/fruit <-> 3,125/hunger point...........................................41 / 100g
Broccoli........11/fruit <-> 1,22/hunger point..............................................34 / 100g
Tomato.........24/fruit <-> 2/hunger point....................................................18 / 100g

The best vegetable in PZ is cabbage cos it gives the most calories per hunger point.
In other words eating cabbage will gain you most calories till becoming stuffed.
Broccoli and tomatoes are calorie traps!
While in reality potatoes have 3 times more calories than cabbages in PZ cabbages have 3 times more calories than potatoes.

I tested a bit and thats what i found out:

raw carrot: 25 calories / 8 hunger points --->3,125 calories/hunger point
carrot as a raw meal in frying pan: 25 calories / 8 hunger points (cooking skill 0) --->3,125 calories/hunger point
carrot as a cooked meal in frying pan: 25 calories / 10 hunger points (cooking skill 0) --->2,5 calories/hunger point

carrot as a raw meal in frying pan: 36,46 calories / 9 hunger points (cooking skill 10) --->4,05 calories/hunger point
carrot as a cooked meal in frying pan: 36,46 calories / 12 hunger points (cooking skill 10) --->3,03 calories/hunger point

What is the conclusion?:
Eat cabbages and potatoes. Prepare meals but dont cook them.
Higher cooking skill does help you to gain weight as long as you dont cook your meals.
For example salads are good.
Cooking meals does not increase the calories you get out of that meal it only increases the hunger points that you get out of it.
Fruit salads and meat is also good to get calories, but have in mind uncooked meat is not healthy in PZ.

But i tried the game first without any calculations and it is possible to gain weight through foraging, trapping farming and cooking!
You should just eat a lot. At first eat smaller meals and things till you are nearly stuffed and then just eat a real big meal(something above 60 hunger points). After 1-2 hours you will start to become hungry and then just eat a big meal again and again....Doing this you will start to gain weight but you should be patient cos it needs about 2-3 days till your diet will bear fruits!

In my oppinion the whole calorie/farming/cooking system is not logical and not balanced out but as a player you can deal with it.