People who play without athletic, why and HOW?

[TheZedSurvivor]

How do you manage to play the game with you getting tired after a few swings or 100 metres of running, i am always picking athletic, because fitness is so important and hard to level up, while strength is not that hard to level up, now i do have almost 1k hours and i am open to learning about new things, one of them would be, HOW DO YOU PLAY WITHOUT LVL 9-10 FITNESS, bruh like how... You get tired so quickly even with level 9 fitness, which makes you dead pretty quickly since endurance loss depletes your damage, running speed and swing speed, the 3 most important things

[Zaidah]

If I'm in a safe/clear area I joge a little, then (once/before I get exhausted) I take a break and rest on a chair/bed (speeding the time a bit).

If I'm in a dangerous area, I will barely joge if I see zombies close to me (or if I'm near buildings) to avoid attracting too many zombies and keep my stamina to fight. On build 41, I often take small fights (1 or 2, 3 zombies at most, if more I try to loose them in a house), so if I get exhausted I can take some rest in a house once the fight is over. Most of the time, if I'm about to fight a bunch of zombies, I rest to make sure I'm at full stamina. I almost never played a game with fitness bonuses (nore maluses).

In conclusion, I manage my stamina to make sure I'm never getting exhausted in a fight. PZ is about managing your character, and that's why I love it . So many positive and negative traits to pick, but the real questions are :
-Do I really need it/is it mendatory to me considering the way I'm playing ?
-Am I able to manage it, or is it gonna be too much of a chore, considering the way I'm playing ?

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by London is my country (sad boi):

How do you manage to play the game with you getting tired after a few swings or 100 metres of running, i am always picking athletic, because fitness is so important and hard to level up, while strength is not that hard to level up, now i do have almost 1k hours and i am open to learning about new things, one of them would be, HOW DO YOU PLAY WITHOUT LVL 9-10 FITNESS, bruh like how... You get tired so quickly even with level 9 fitness, which makes you dead pretty quickly since endurance loss depletes your damage, running speed and swing speed, the 3 most important things

Playing currently with 3 endurance. On apocalypse mode.(Also 3 str)

Basicly you need to sneak, nearly all the time. You cannot walk, cannot run even if you have the perk that makes you harder to notice. Certain zombies can spot you from a map away with (5 sneak! and hard to notice).
You choose your fights, run very seldomly, even if you run you only do short dashes. One map dash is the longest you do. Thereafter walk or sneak. If you are being followed you move backwards and those that get near to you you hit them, you basicly fight them in a way to wear them down.(of course minding your surroundings.)
Plan ahead which places you want to check. If you manage to get into a place, loot everything and bring it out. Stash it at an easily grabable place. (outside the house, on the veranda, or in the fridge, place all food that has a best before into the freezer)

Basicly even trying to force your way into houses can get you exhausted. But you also do not want to break all the windows since they might come handy when you get surprised inside. So if i cant open say 40% of the windows, then i break one of the windows i failed to open. Clear out the glass, and if i attracted zeds, i walk away. I can come back later.

The first 2-3 days i usually just try to get into as many houses as possible do a quick check. Get a few foods that are easy to carry and easy to eat.(Mac and cheese is the best to find.) Get one water bottle at least, or tea pot. And some weapon. Then it is search for the bag. I usually only bother with backpacks. Once i get one, or if the day is advancing to the end of Day 2, i head over to the food store. To stash all food into freezers, so i can come back for them later with a car, and take everything back to my safe house.

I am currently like around 35 days, and my endurance is still like 1000 points, whereas my str is 7500 (9000 for next level).

During fights i usually fight 1-2-3 and sometimes four zombies, but even so i am microing to not let them get together, so they cant grab me. I make very sure there is no zombies nearby, that can waltz into my fight. On apocalypse you usually cannot clear most streets, if you try you are just attracting attention, so i just try to be as silent as possible. Hope for events to draw them away, or make those events happen. Breaking glass, shots, alarm clocks hell even a generator just running to attract zeds can help you. (Also to level up sneak fast, but seriously am levelling up quite fast even without any cheesy tactics.)

Of course i am playing in Rosewood and using a Rosewood special tactic, though it is also possible to adapt it in West Point. Though way harder, and more resource consuming.(I know since it is where i developed the tactic.)

But it also requires a bit of luck. Finding the appropriate gear, books etc.
I had a run, where i attracted some homing zombies.
Basicly whatever you did you could not shake them off, even from 2 maps away they followed your path straight away. Since had to take a long detour my char was exhausted, super tired, and also thirsty and hungry.(Out of all food and water cuz it was a 24 hour long walk to shake them off.) Still managed to shake them off eventually kill off the one or two stragglers.(Had to use knife.)

Trick is at the start you need to plan ahead. Not brute force your way to things. Where is food, where to store it so you can get it easily (later). How to get a car, a full can of gas to fuel up your car. Where are other cars hidden. Where are generators, where have you kept drinking water.(Yes i even will full up cooking pots and the like with water and leave them in searched houses etc.)

It is slower but safer.

Of course if you get a good car, you can use it to clear out whole neighbourhoods. If i am playing in West Point i usually do that, so i can access the food market and the super market there. Can keep you fed for a VERY long time if you do so.

[katsuragi]

I'm with you man. I want to play a hero and not some out of shape schlep who needs a community to survive.

[TheZedSurvivor]

Thanks, i will stick to my athletic trait, because it is fair, -10 points, i can get everything i need in 1-2 days and move out with a car, easy, why would i waste my time fighting 1-2 zombies then having to rest, that's just annoying

[[PBS] Kafka Rambo]

My guy is an unemployed short sighted overweight smoker, cuz it's more FUN and CHALLENGING than having an easy victory set up from the start. Character looses weight after some time being active and eating less, but gets to keep the bonuses. That is if he makes that far. But if he does, then there's the reward. If I set up my guy athletic in the start, what is there to gain? Where's the reward?

[TheZedSurvivor]

then why not just put up zombie scale to 4? if you want a challenging playthrough, its not fun getting mowed down, this game is annoying as it is, and i played it for almost 5 years now, and im still annoyed sometimes, and victory is not set up right off the bat, i want to explore, do mad ♥♥♥♥, clean the mall or dormitory, something like that, not fight for endurance or basic needs, if i want to do that i will play six months later setting in sandbox, and there u go

[TheZedSurvivor]

I aim at thriving, not just surviving

[[PBS] Kafka Rambo]

Uhuh I have upped the zombie scale, made all loot extremely rare except ammo which is just rare, also I start mid November with electricity and water shut off.

However, the early game feels really exciting and awesome, when everything is earned hard and doesn't come easy. I plan and do mad raids all the time, as I have to take a lot of risks to find food and smokes, no farming because winter. But still also I aim to build a great base with all the cool stuff etc.

Losing is fun too, early game is most fun anyway. I guess we just have very different approach to the game.

[Stone Cold Steve Harvey]

I usually go asthmatic, underweight, feeble etc because it's fun for me to base my characters off of my self. It makes the game way more challenging and I love challenge.

My sandbox settings are basically apocalypse mode with helicopters often, sprinters, navigate+open and extremely rare loot.

[Ω Spriggan Ω]

I walk away from combat, i slink, crawl into the shadows.
find a nice room free of zombies, close the doors, pull the blinds and slumber. uwu

most of all i don't use that sprint button, jogging yeah sure. but that sprint button... you burn a candle twice as bright for half as long.

[Wilihey]

idk i never fight more than 5 zombies in a day scavenging lol

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by Wilihey:

idk i never fight more than 5 zombies in a day scavenging lol

If i can have it my way on apocalypse i stick by this too...especially since if you try to kill around 8 -10 zombies (luring in packs of 1-3-s) you usually have another group waltz in. Or a random walker...that is just going plainly across the map, for some reason allways targetting where you were like a minute ago. Or there is a random event.
Without car the most zeds i killed in a day i would say is around 23. But that was a huge risk damn luck run. Went to get gas, and a new migration happened due to an alarm. Was impossible to get to the station. I killed 2 packs of 8 eight zombies...then two packs with 10+ just walked in...also started to rain hard...so basicly had every disadvantage possible. But the day prior i found an 84% condition chevalier bull d6. (love those cars:D)

[katsuragi]

Originally posted by Wilihey:

idk i never fight more than 5 zombies in a day scavenging lol

my play style is pretty much the opposite. I clear every last zed out of whatever town i'm based in and bury the corpses along the side of the road until i can blare a car horn and nothing at all comes. Had a helicopter fly over my base last night and nothing even came.

zeds can't see you when they're all dead... ultimate stealth

incidentally, i turn off corpse removal so that i actually have to do something with the bodies. it's a strange kind of fun to clean up after a massacre

[[PBS] Kafka Rambo]

Originally posted by katsuragi:

incidentally, i turn off corpse removal so that i actually have to do something with the bodies. it's a strange kind of fun to clean up after a massacre

It's somehow therapeutic like hand washing dishes

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by katsuragi:

Originally posted by Wilihey:

idk i never fight more than 5 zombies in a day scavenging lol

my play style is pretty much the opposite. I clear every last zed out of whatever town i'm based in and bury the corpses along the side of the road until i can blare a car horn and nothing at all comes. Had a helicopter fly over my base last night and nothing even came.

zeds can't see you when they're all dead... ultimate stealth

incidentally, i turn off corpse removal so that i actually have to do something with the bodies. it's a strange kind of fun to clean up after a massacre

Yeah you can use graves to make a "Crafted marked position" affecting at that place zombie spawn.
But be careful should a migration happen...all those corpses suddenly are a back:)
I cleared out half of Rosewood with one car, helicopter rule and about 100 kills.
Then one single house alarm, and they are back.