Swords need ammo? c'mon...

[Smuggler]

Swords shouldn't need ammo, they don't in reality, Swords don't run out of bullets or jam up because they get dirty or old...when it's cold the blade may tend to stick in the sheath but that's about it. Could this be removed from game as it's quite silly. Instead if you wish to own a sword why not make us have to forge one (as i have) it's not a throwing weapon so no need for the ammunition idea in my opinion so just make them only available by crafting and take a little longer to make if need be. I use mine to break champions in heroics at the moment and yes they do great damage but a sword does good damage in reality and to use it properly in game or in reality takes skill as you can't just go hit a boss with it and kill him...it takes crackerjack timing and experience or you just get oneshotted...could this be changed at all in game Bungie? Pretty please with hundreds & thousands on top!...kindest of regards, Mr.D Xxx

[Smuggler]

I may not have noticed? top job coming off as condescending and rude pal...your post took what...nearly five lines of text...nearly...so you missed the point that I was trying to make here which renders the rest of your 3 lines of text pretty much fail like the effort you put in to reply...are you Bungie's receptionist or something? Jog on Dane or atleast reply with a less belittling attitude...

Going off your avatar pic your just a little internet troll that has no brain or proper attitude...am betting you haven't even bought the full DLC...so you and your opinion are invalid...Am betting i've been a member of steam longer than you've been alive on the planet earth...come back with something progressive instead of dismissive my good man...finally Dane if you want someone to take your opinion seriously...sort yer avatar out for starters kid...that MY opinion and yet another reason you just wasted your time posting not even 5 lines of a reply with an arrogant tone that you wouldn't dare say to a persons face...keyboard warrior...

Anyhow back to it...It's a sword not a lightsabre. So then what are they...sword? lightsabre? laser edged blade? Even a lightsabre would not run out of charge or ammo...reason am also posting this is i got kicked off the server due to server issues on Friday night...logged back in with no ammo on my blade....it's never happened on my guns but does on the blade. Plus...debate all you like but swords do NOT use ammo...either give it some kind of charge that runs out in so many hits then you may aswell put it away till it's refreshed or remove the ammo for it because it is a silly thing to have on a blade or to be honest any weapon that you have to hit with manually...other games have a pool of resource for your character that runs out after overuse that regenerates over time like mana for a mage or rage for a warrior that would refresh faster or slower over time dependant on how much or less of said stat you have on your gear/equipment..wait!....oh they already have that mechanic in game already...but c'mon...swords though? with ammo? c'mon....sort it out please so am not logging back into a heroic with no way to break a champion...for I am ZahnZewd!...Breaker of champions!.. not ZahnZewd oh pants my sword has no ammo so i'll have to go knit a cardigan & buy a box of chocolates for this champion so he may be kind enough to let me by and loot the chest...I want to kill him with my sword not with kindness! :P

[Smuggler]

Summary...how about a resource pool for blades instead of ammo, the physics are already there in game. Yes it will run out but if you've ever swung a sword around you can't do it for very long unless your superman, for instance a two handed broadsword will tire you out in less than a minute so you'd have to rest a little while then carry on slashing & hacking once your resource had regenerated...left for dead 2 as an example you tire doing melee after a few swings...would make loads of sense to me and negate the need for ammo and a weapon that wouldn't in reality need it. :D (i know the game isn't real by the way just to confirm).

[DANEDANGER]

*shrugs* leave it to a boomer to get insulted over nothing >_> The remark you might not have noticed was anything but rude. It was just an remark on something you may or not may have noticed. Anyhow... seeing how you rant away with it, have a good life then. I got no need for an overly sensitive boomer kid *waves* ohw and btw... dont ask questions when your not open to an answer on them :/

[Smuggler]

Your answer didn't answer a thing...not once...all you did was arrogantly inform me that ammo is in the game for swords....err...I knew that...thanks for that captain obvious...12,333 final blows so far this week...you were 12,234 pal...if your post wasn't rude...why remove it?...i've been on enough forums to see when someone is being rude or just plain arrogant...am not overly sensitive...your overly arrogant and now your embarrassed to stand by your overly arrogant and condescending post...i will have a nice life thanks o/

[DANEDANGER]

Sure boomer, in case you didnt notice this one... i at least made an effort to answer where none else seems to be doing that but hey... here you are still trying to insult me *shrugs* im done with you and your behaviour, considder your self blocked from now.

[Smuggler]

The reaction you got is what you deserved...i wasn't 'overly anything' i reacted in kind to your failtrain attitude...don't come into my home...put your dirty feet up on the coffee table and tell me the wife's cooking is bad then after that try to make out like you cared enough to post on this thread you pathetic weasel, top tip...do NOT come back cap in hand after being a total goon to me also there you go again condescending with your "incase you didn't notice" line...so still you can 'shrug' all you like but you have not humbled yourself here at all with any replies or seen the initial 'lynx effect' error of your opening post that STILL you have deleted because reading it would have made a Saint-44 swear (see what i did there folks? :D)...boomer? is that it...that all you got btw? tell you what lad...go ask one of your parents (if they still speak to you that is)..."Mum..Dad...do swords have ammo?"....then look at their faces....that's your answer right there mate!...yes do the whole passive aggressive thing by the way...walk in...say rude stuff and give attitude then walk out and block people...you my arrogant friend come straight out of a comic book.

Just to add a more positive spin on this i've messaged Bungie about this and am betting they have already had this suggestion about blades/swords/cutlery in game...they must have sat around bouncing up and down on their Bungees confabbing about this am sure of it...am also betting they grace me with a well thought out & much more progressive reply than you did...you put as much thought into your reply as your parents put into giving birth to you pal...enjoy the sauna & the attached link as it's just for you cupcake...this is 'Boomer' saying BOOM! BOOM! to Dane (not so danger) Danger... p.s. removing your rude initial post and changing your abusive avatar & name it's too late pal...am happy to be blocked by the likes of you...toodle pip! o/

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[Destination Atlas]

Well the way I see it, it's like a balancing act.

Without it, people could abuse it excessively, think of it like how black talon has a projection you can throw as it's heavy attack. If they ran only on energy, people could run into whatever crucible match and completely stomp the enemy team. Sure, it could be fine tuned in the end, but it would most likely cause it to become next to obsolete. Same could be said about Worldline Zero. You can dash farther than where a shotgun can hit and Kill instantly, including Chaperone.

This same logic could be applied to PvE, as i'm mainly using PvP as the example as that's where stuff mainly get's it's tuning. Swords can take out many enemies in one swipe, something weapons that use special aren't capable of, but weapons that use heavy are. So realistically, it causes the whole sword ammo situation make sense from a development standpoint, but not player standpoint.

I avidly use swords, and, yes, I was pissed off with the whole "Yo hold up lemme just reload my sword boys." But looking at it, if they were to re-tune them again it would cause too many issues. I agree it's a stupid concept but It just doesn't seem likely that it will change give how "developed" the game is at the moment.

There always a probable chance though! If you are having a lot of problems with getting heavy ammo, try using heavy ammo finders along with sword ammo finders, sword reserves can also help.

[Smuggler]

Good points made, currently got the heavy ammo drop chance on the helm which has greatly improved things tenfold, i used to pvp in wow a few years back and they actually removed certain abilities & weapon procs etc in pvp as they were totally overpowered. to maintain balance & fairplay which i completely understand.

From a development standpoint it bugs the hell outta me though because that's where they need to properly soak test it from a player perspective. I remember again back in the days of Swtor and they gave us all early access to an area by paying a bit more towards the expansion so in effect an early access pass to the new content before others.

Now what they didn't tell us was in reality it was us as the end user paying to be guinea pigs & lab rats to test the new content for the game devs which was buggy as hell after playing and getting to the first main questline boss which was the Darth Revan fight which crashed constantly and prevented everyone from getting any further on that story so we had toi move on to other missions etc to gather XP and get to max level.

Yet in hindsight i would still pay the extra if they had said we were paying to beta test because i would be doing the rest of the player community a service by testing the game for them which is what i'll say here to Bungie, So i would gladly pay and extra say £10 on top of the dlc price here for Destiny so i may test out new content before release or test new weapons or mechanics in the game so it's perfect for everyone else when they finally arrive online in-game (which most of the time is usually around christmas) and being that i've tested the game and all it's foibles & issues out & raised it with the developer team beforehand it's then good ready to go for release and won't upset the kids around the yuletide season or ruin someone's birthday.

Didn't know there was a sword ammo finder...got the heavy ammo one but not seen a swordy ammo finder so am gonna go look and see if i can improve things a bit more, just checked it and apparently it's a basic helmet mod available from Banshee-44.

Most excellent feedback by the way & greatly appreciated!

[Adûnakhôr]

Originally posted by Varrulian:

Sure boomer, in case you didnt notice this one... i at least made an effort to answer where none else seems to be doing that but hey... here you are still trying to insult me *shrugs* im done with you and your behaviour, considder your self blocked from now.

Leave it to a child to attempt to insult people with ageist idiocy, like "ok, boomer". God I hate stupid children. If you can't answer someone's question without being a dumbass, then don't, and save us all the trouble. If someone is being rude to you, be better than them. Don't make it worse, by being a condescending douchebag. Grow up.

[DANEDANGER]

Originally posted by Adûnakhôr:

Originally posted by Varrulian:

Sure boomer, in case you didnt notice this one... i at least made an effort to answer where none else seems to be doing that but hey... here you are still trying to insult me *shrugs* im done with you and your behaviour, considder your self blocked from now.

Leave it to a child to attempt to insult people with ageist idiocy, like "ok, boomer". God I hate stupid children. If you can't answer someone's question without being a dumbass, then don't, and save us all the trouble. If someone is being rude to you, be better than them. Don't make it worse, by being a condescending douchebag. Grow up.

*shrugs* wth are you trying todo here... days after the op and me had their fallout >_> all i did was giving the man an answer that he obviously did not like and as result he tryt to insult me, like you are trying todo here aswel... Listen its all fine and dandy to dislike an answer but that doesnt give any reason to be insultive over it. And yes ofcourse that last answer was condesending. There is no need to stay civil or nice to someone that try's to insult me personaly. So for you too BOOMER!!! fck off *waves*

*edit* to OP... i still dont get why you got that angry over one line of text that wasnt even suposed to be insultive to you :/

[Smuggler]

Thought you'd blocked me and left this by now and i won't repeat myself just read what i wrote in reply to your now removed post (you know the one that you deleted because you came across like an arrogant prick). Thing is I got no answer at all it was just some kid going 'if you didn't notice' or even "you don't know what your doing" & being captain obvious and addressing the issue as if i'm stupid, i posted here because i'm new to the game but not new to gaming and stat crunching, gear specs & farming for that perfect piece to complete my setup...the matter is dealt with & people have posted good decent progressive replies since which has helped me in game...the original reply by DaneDanger aka Varrulian (now since he changed name) was not helpful one bit, it was about as useful as a wax fireguard.

You deleted the post because no doubt on reading it back you realized you came across badly but it's gone now, it's history and you can only serve to use it as a reminder that maybe you need to think about what you type before posting your unhelpful opinion online.

Move on...i did...

[Smuggler]

I suggest just playing your game folks and enjoying it but man yet again i logged in after a server kick and no ammo on the blade and also when i travel to a new area i also lose heavy ammo, so annoying 64 heavy ammo on the blade, fly to a different planet and it's half that amount. Does heavy ammo also fuel my ships lol? it's daft!!!

[DANEDANGER]

Originally posted by Dixon-45™:

Thought you'd blocked me and left this by now and i won't repeat myself just read what i wrote in reply to your now removed post (you know the one that you deleted because you came across like an arrogant prick). Thing is I got no answer at all it was just some kid going 'if you didn't notice' or even "you don't know what your doing" & being captain obvious and addressing the issue as if i'm stupid, i posted here because i'm new to the game but not new to gaming and stat crunching, gear specs & farming for that perfect piece to complete my setup...the matter is dealt with & people have posted good decent progressive replies since which has helped me in game...the original reply by DaneDanger aka Varrulian (now since he changed name) was not helpful one bit, it was about as useful as a wax fireguard.

You deleted the post because no doubt on reading it back you realized you came across badly but it's gone now, it's history and you can only serve to use it as a reminder that maybe you need to think about what you type before posting your unhelpful opinion online.

Move on...i did...

Well i moved on too but then this other dude came and i simply took the opportunity to ask for some clarification as to wth happened because... you may not have picked it up as such it still came out of an good heart. I read your post and felt i was able to give somewhat of an explaination that would be satisfactory sadly it wasnt. Had no clue i was dealing with an vet here at all...

I dont look at every profile before i answer i just try to help where i can and move on when its proven i can not but in the same time use such post to learn more about the game. Not only you had your torough answer me and likely a few more had much use out of the posts between you and Atlas and thanks for that.

Now i deleted the post as you went full beserk on me for the craziest of things even. I figured by removing it you would maybe calm down a bit and start talking again because it was only trying to insult at some point... None the less in the end you got your answer you needed so its okayish.

So... hope you have some understanding into me now as i have gotten out of you some. It came out of a good hard... i may be lacking in an university style and level of english and also have still lots to learn about the game but i never ever wanted you to be insulted or had a feeling of me beeing condesending towards you because that wasnt the case at all. I just never ever had someone getting so upset on me for just those few words... no idea they could be recieved as condesending.

Anyhow am done with all this aswel now, its clear we wont ever be friends simply out of skill difference alone in this game and thats fine. None the less i wish you much luck and fun in your game as i will have in mine.

[Smuggler]

Var...move on pal, am not upset with you but you did boil my pissle with yer not well thought out reply, from my side i will apologise for losing my cool & retallliating the way that i did as two wrongs do not make a right my fellow guardian

You've eaten humble pie & shown some concern here which speaks volumes to me & have retained some amount of respect from me due to this.

I will not really go into it another time as we've already hashed it out and it's all good from my side & i've calmed down...if people want to stir it then am just going to ignore it and i would also advise you to do the same my fellow guardian.

That being said may the gods be with you in your journey throughout the game and throughout your real life adventures.The matter is but a mere speck in history!

Now!..i'd like to get into & address these issues here within the game which we both obviously love and have in common.

So...another question here back on to the topic-ish...why do i always seem to get grenade launchers or rocket launchers when what i really need is a bow to do the black armoury bow frame?..since i arrived here 3 weeks ago i have had two bows which if i knew would be rarer than exotics dropwise i would have NEVER dismantled to begin with.

One i got off a quest (if i remember correctly) & one a random mob dropped in a tangled shore lost sector.

Per day i get one average 3 or 4 rocket launchers & about the same for grenade launchers (even got fighting lion as a random world drop).

Personally i don't use either as they are too big for my little warlock legs to carry and they look stupid on a female awoken lady with a great bum like mine has but jest aside i just don't use them, i have one of each launcher in my vault for when i come to doing the quests with relation to that type of weapon.

To get to it am trying find out why i have only ever had 2 bows so far and a warehouse full of anti-tank weaponry? Again this is a bit unbalanced and totally skew-whiff as i'd really like to craft my own bow without the need to wait till the next century to get one, i can't remake one from my weapons as both bows are not available in that way it says they are random & not available...anyone know a way around this please?

[Smuggler]

update, third time lucky on a bow, i just got the exotic Trinity Ghoul which also works with my storm spec as i do as much Arc damage as i can not sure if the fact all my gear being arc buffs it in any way but it's just what the doctor ordered back to topic my sword still randomly loses ammo getting more heavy ammo now with my mod respec on the helm, thanks again Atlas for your insight!