Is/should Bungie remove rewards for the past day?

[Kylito]

Bungie has been known for letting certain things that have allowed players to get certain achievements, for example,the checkpoint glitch. It allowed any checkpoint clear to count as a full one. Get to the boss in a dungeon with a team, back out, go back in solo, and get your "solo flawless" clear.

This crafting glitch is that times 100. Every single raid, dungeon, or really any sort of achievement available right now in this game has become moot. You can go and instakill every enemy in a gm, master raid/dungeon, or whatever you want. If even after they patch it, you still get to keep your emblems and triumphs if you exploited to get them, I will be beyond mad at this game, devaluing a MASSIVE list of once treasured goals that have now been obtained by hundreds of thousands of players who never would have gotten them legit.

But who knows? Maybe I should just lighten up and stop taking the game so seriously. Or maybe buoingo has failed the more dedicated playerbase.

[N33MA]

I mean most of the dungeons and raids are not really tough enough even without this glitch for it to really matter. Sure some people will get some triumphs likes flawless raids and whatnot but I doubt that the number will inflate that much by the end of the weekend (assuming they patch this quickly).

[Squidfest]

How do you quantify that, though? Do you risk penalizing legitimate, dedicated players who made the mistake of trying their flawless raid and/or GM on the day that Aztecross single-handedly pissed all over Crucible for the next 48 hours? Do you penalize every person who crafted an Ammit on 9/15/2023, even if people were just doing it to have a solar auto rifle with Incandescent on it?

Or, do you grin and bear it, have a couple laughs with the community, and fix the bug? I think the smart option is the latter. This isn't using some outside program to defraud the game, it's an unfortunate glitch that wasn't ironed out in Witch Queen and didn't get properly unearthed until now.

[Jacob]

In case you were wondering, Solo Flawless Prophecy done. Only 24 minutes, not too difficult.

[Jacob]

30 minutes for a Grasp of Avarice Solo Flawless. Another one bites the dust.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Seal Team Six:

How do you quantify that, though? Do you risk penalizing legitimate, dedicated players who made the mistake of trying their flawless raid and/or GM on the day that Aztecross single-handedly pissed all over Crucible for the next 48 hours? Do you penalize every person who crafted an Ammit on 9/15/2023, even if people were just doing it to have a solar auto rifle with Incandescent on it?

Or, do you grin and bear it, have a couple laughs with the community, and fix the bug? I think the smart option is the latter. This isn't using some outside program to defraud the game, it's an unfortunate glitch that wasn't ironed out in Witch Queen and didn't get properly unearthed until now.

I think there are FAR more people abusing the bug than playing legit. And, bungie could also just say that anyone who did X triumph with an Ammit equipped gets reverted. My problem is that my favorite part of D2 is triumphs, and part of that is the "elite" aspect of it. Having that Reckoner title is cool, but it wouldn't be cool anymore if there was an exploit allowing anyone to get it with little effort. I personally know that I did X, Y, or Z legit, but someone who used an exploit for it has the exact same achievement.

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Seal Team Six:

How do you quantify that, though? Do you risk penalizing legitimate, dedicated players who made the mistake of trying their flawless raid and/or GM on the day that Aztecross single-handedly pissed all over Crucible for the next 48 hours? Do you penalize every person who crafted an Ammit on 9/15/2023, even if people were just doing it to have a solar auto rifle with Incandescent on it?

Or, do you grin and bear it, have a couple laughs with the community, and fix the bug? I think the smart option is the latter. This isn't using some outside program to defraud the game, it's an unfortunate glitch that wasn't ironed out in Witch Queen and didn't get properly unearthed until now.

I think there are FAR more people abusing the bug than playing legit. And, bungie could also just say that anyone who did X triumph with an Ammit equipped gets reverted. My problem is that my favorite part of D2 is triumphs, and part of that is the "elite" aspect of it. Having that Reckoner title is cool, but it wouldn't be cool anymore if there was an exploit allowing anyone to get it with little effort. I personally know that I did X, Y, or Z legit, but someone who used an exploit for it has the exact same achievement.

It doesn't matter what you think. Player numbers are popping and Bungie gave the go ahead via Twitter. Also, there's no way to tell because you can do the glitch with literally any weapon albeit with different returns. So remove the triumph from everyone using crafted weaponry? You're the only person complaining about PvE and triumphs with this. Everyone else is having actual fun and grinding. Or, you know, enjoying the game. Have you ever benefitted from a glitch? Like a legendary shards glitch or two? After you said you have 23k legendary shards you have to burn?

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Kylito:

I think there are FAR more people abusing the bug than playing legit. And, bungie could also just say that anyone who did X triumph with an Ammit equipped gets reverted. My problem is that my favorite part of D2 is triumphs, and part of that is the "elite" aspect of it. Having that Reckoner title is cool, but it wouldn't be cool anymore if there was an exploit allowing anyone to get it with little effort. I personally know that I did X, Y, or Z legit, but someone who used an exploit for it has the exact same achievement.

It doesn't matter what you think. Player numbers are popping and Bungie gave the go ahead via Twitter. Also, there's no way to tell because you can do the glitch with literally any weapon albeit with different returns. So remove the triumph from everyone using crafted weaponry? You're the only person complaining about PvE and triumphs with this. Everyone else is having actual fun and grinding. Or, you know, enjoying the game. Have you ever benefitted from a glitch? Like a legendary shards glitch or two? After you said you have 23k legendary shards you have to burn?

I've never used any shard duplication glitches, and even then, there is a difference in duping resources and exploiting certain achievements that are usually much more daunting. Over the past hour or so, I do see now the fun factor here, but I still maintain that abusing it is a bit cringe, mostly pertaining to the Master VoG challenges, although, those have already been powercrept so hard, does it really matter? Idk.

I hope Bungo at least gives people who died in PvP to it some emblem or something, akin to the "laser tag" emblem from CoO

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Jacob:

It doesn't matter what you think. Player numbers are popping and Bungie gave the go ahead via Twitter. Also, there's no way to tell because you can do the glitch with literally any weapon albeit with different returns. So remove the triumph from everyone using crafted weaponry? You're the only person complaining about PvE and triumphs with this. Everyone else is having actual fun and grinding. Or, you know, enjoying the game. Have you ever benefitted from a glitch? Like a legendary shards glitch or two? After you said you have 23k legendary shards you have to burn?

I've never used any shard duplication glitches, and even then, there is a difference in duping resources and exploiting certain achievements that are usually much more daunting. Over the past hour or so, I do see now the fun factor here, but I still maintain that abusing it is a bit cringe, mostly pertaining to the Master VoG challenges, although, those have already been powercrept so hard, does it really matter? Idk.

I hope Bungo at least gives people who died in PvP to it some emblem or something, akin to the "laser tag" emblem from CoO

Yes, there is a difference in duping and this bug. Duping a resource that is one of, if not, the most important currencies in the game is a lot worse then getting a triumph that no one can see outside of emblems. No one looks at triumphs. No one looks at your triumphs. No one looks at someone's emblem and goes "Wow, that guy is SO cool for solo'ing a dungeon! I'm gonna add him!" It's purely for self satisfaction. If people are satisfied getting them this way, then by all means. It's Bungie's fault after all.

Also I'm very glad my original comment on this post was deleted. In short, you're notorious for talking crap to people on here, telling people to git gud, and defending all of Bungie's practices. So I'm gonna get all of the Solo Flawless triumphs this weekend purely to devalue yours.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Kylito:

I've never used any shard duplication glitches, and even then, there is a difference in duping resources and exploiting certain achievements that are usually much more daunting. Over the past hour or so, I do see now the fun factor here, but I still maintain that abusing it is a bit cringe, mostly pertaining to the Master VoG challenges, although, those have already been powercrept so hard, does it really matter? Idk.

I hope Bungo at least gives people who died in PvP to it some emblem or something, akin to the "laser tag" emblem from CoO

Yes, there is a difference in duping and this bug. Duping a resource that is one of, if not, the most important currencies in the game is a lot worse then getting a triumph that no one can see outside of emblems. No one looks at triumphs. No one looks at your triumphs. No one looks at someone's emblem and goes "Wow, that guy is SO cool for solo'ing a dungeon! I'm gonna add him!" It's purely for self satisfaction. If people are satisfied getting them this way, then by all means. It's Bungie's fault after all.

Also I'm very glad my original comment on this post was deleted. In short, you're notorious for talking crap to people on here, telling people to git gud, and defending all of Bungie's practices. So I'm gonna get all of the Solo Flawless triumphs this weekend purely to devalue yours.

Shards are the most important resource in the game? Are you kidding?
"no one cares about triumphs" hmm, then why is it so important that exploiters keep progress? Surely, if they are so pointless, reverting wouldn't matter.

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Jacob:

Yes, there is a difference in duping and this bug. Duping a resource that is one of, if not, the most important currencies in the game is a lot worse then getting a triumph that no one can see outside of emblems. No one looks at triumphs. No one looks at your triumphs. No one looks at someone's emblem and goes "Wow, that guy is SO cool for solo'ing a dungeon! I'm gonna add him!" It's purely for self satisfaction. If people are satisfied getting them this way, then by all means. It's Bungie's fault after all.

Also I'm very glad my original comment on this post was deleted. In short, you're notorious for talking crap to people on here, telling people to git gud, and defending all of Bungie's practices. So I'm gonna get all of the Solo Flawless triumphs this weekend purely to devalue yours.

Shards are the most important resource in the game? Are you kidding?
"no one cares about triumphs" hmm, then why is it so important that exploiters keep progress? Surely, if they are so pointless, reverting wouldn't matter.

Outside of Glimmer, Legendary Shards are used for the most things in the game, by far. Also, that quote of mine doesn't exist. I said "No one looks at triumphs. No one looks at your triumphs".

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Kylito:

Shards are the most important resource in the game? Are you kidding?
"no one cares about triumphs" hmm, then why is it so important that exploiters keep progress? Surely, if they are so pointless, reverting wouldn't matter.

Outside of Glimmer, Legendary Shards are used for the most things in the game, by far. Also, that quote of mine doesn't exist. I said "No one looks at triumphs. No one looks at your triumphs".

Does that not mean basically the same thing? Anywho, duping shards is not that bad of an exploit, especially now that shards are going away. Cheesing triumphs? I get that no one will know or care, but idk, feels scummy. Depends also if it's a player that could do the solo flawless legit, but just doesn't want to spend an hour+ in a given run and wants to get it done, or if it's a genuinely bad player whose only hope of ever obtaining it would be through exploits.

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Jacob:

Outside of Glimmer, Legendary Shards are used for the most things in the game, by far. Also, that quote of mine doesn't exist. I said "No one looks at triumphs. No one looks at your triumphs".

Does that not mean basically the same thing? Anywho, duping shards is not that bad of an exploit, especially now that shards are going away. Cheesing triumphs? I get that no one will know or care, but idk, feels scummy. Depends also if it's a player that could do the solo flawless legit, but just doesn't want to spend an hour+ in a given run and wants to get it done, or if it's a genuinely bad player whose only hope of ever obtaining it would be through exploits.

Duping shards gives a tangible, actual in game advantage. Cheesing triumphs does not.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Kylito:

Does that not mean basically the same thing? Anywho, duping shards is not that bad of an exploit, especially now that shards are going away. Cheesing triumphs? I get that no one will know or care, but idk, feels scummy. Depends also if it's a player that could do the solo flawless legit, but just doesn't want to spend an hour+ in a given run and wants to get it done, or if it's a genuinely bad player whose only hope of ever obtaining it would be through exploits.

Duping shards gives a tangible, actual in game advantage. Cheesing triumphs does not.

"Duping a semi-useless resource gives an actual advantage. 1-shotting bosses and instakilling every enemy you hit does not"
This cannot be serious. How does duping shards give an advantage, but having literal cheat weapons not?

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Jacob:

Duping shards gives a tangible, actual in game advantage. Cheesing triumphs does not.

"Duping a semi-useless resource gives an actual advantage. 1-shotting bosses and instakilling every enemy you hit does not"
This cannot be serious. How does duping shards give an advantage, but having literal cheat weapons not?

Duping shards has been around for years sporadically. This will exist for another day at most. Then it will all disappear aside from triumphs. After the shard duping, what remained? Oh yeah, the shards. That could be used all the way up until when they get depreciated as a whole. The guns are going poof. That's why.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Originally posted by Kylito:

"Duping a semi-useless resource gives an actual advantage. 1-shotting bosses and instakilling every enemy you hit does not"
This cannot be serious. How does duping shards give an advantage, but having literal cheat weapons not?

Duping shards has been around for years sporadically. This will exist for another day at most. Then it will all disappear aside from triumphs. After the shard duping, what remained? Oh yeah, the shards. That could be used all the way up until when they get depreciated as a whole. The guns are going poof. That's why.

The guns are going poof, but anything earned with them likely isn't. Which is a LOT more than a few hundred or even thousand shards.