Dead Man's Tale

[Smokey]

What can be done to make this weap actually useful above other scout rifles that are non exotic ? They changed the hipfire thing a while back but its simply not good enough. For comparison I made a Timeworn Wayfarer with Healclip + Incandescent,and then u have Radiolaria Transposer ontop.

It clears anything much faster as Dead man's while giving me and allies health ontop as an extra and I get more effects from it since its using elemental ammo. The main problem seems to be all Dead man's does is single target dmg,and the damage really isnt that great,theres no explosions or anything going on neither where other non exotics can do it.

Any idea on how to make this weap actually proper? Cus I love the look of it,and that ennio morricone whistle,but the weap itself is just severely lacking in comparison to other scout rifles.

[DCR]

It was always a pvp gun, never a pve gun. It can't roll perks as you see fit. Now THAT would be a power fantasy. Be happy you have timeworn wayfarer, red borders in onslaught has stopped dropping here since 2 weeks ago.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Smokey:

What can be done to make this weap actually useful above other scout rifles that are non exotic ? They changed the hipfire thing a while back but its simply not good enough. For comparison I made a Timeworn Wayfarer with Healclip + Incandescent,and then u have Radiolaria Transposer ontop.

It clears anything much faster as Dead man's while giving me and allies health ontop as an extra and I get more effects from it since its using elemental ammo. The main problem seems to be all Dead man's does is single target dmg,and the damage really isnt that great,theres no explosions or anything going on neither where other non exotics can do it.

Any idea on how to make this weap actually proper? Cus I love the look of it,and that ennio morricone whistle,but the weap itself is just severely lacking in comparison to other scout rifles.

For me personally, in an anti-barrier season an exotic scout is always nice, and with the Vorpal perk boosting damage, assisted with the Rimecoat Raiment, it can solo kill any champion, which is wonderful. It's not a bad weapon, it's just that in the same slot you can just use Wishender or Rev Zero, both of which are intrinsic AB instead of seasonal.

[Smokey]

Yeah exactly "its not a bad weapon" but certain other scout rifles are simply better. I was messing around yesterday trying out diff scout rifles and comparing them to Dead man, and then made the one from my OP. And the difference is quite massive actually,where i get heals from elemental kills,where i add burn,where i have an explosion effect that kills low mobs,where i give cure to myself and allies,where the main hit dmg is around the same as dead man aswell,it just also feels much more interesting to play with knowing you have these effects going on. Dead man's tale needs "something" extra to compete with other ones.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Smokey:

Yeah exactly "its not a bad weapon" but certain other scout rifles are simply better. I was messing around yesterday trying out diff scout rifles and comparing them to Dead man, and then made the one from my OP. And the difference is quite massive actually,where i get heals from elemental kills,where i add burn,where i have an explosion effect that kills low mobs,where i give cure to myself and allies,where the main hit dmg is around the same as dead man aswell,it just also feels much more interesting to play with knowing you have these effects going on. Dead man's tale needs "something" extra to compete with other ones.

In comparison with a legendary scout, DMT has a flat 30% damage bump against red bars and generates heavy ammo from Finder mods slightly faster for being an exotic. The main appeal for DMT is that you can hipfire fast and it has versatility, but it's just not very interesting. Incan causes explosions, heal clip causes a heal burst; it's visually more impactful. While imo both have their places, it's sad how a legendary version is cooler than the original exotic.

[Smokey]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Smokey:

Yeah exactly "its not a bad weapon" but certain other scout rifles are simply better. I was messing around yesterday trying out diff scout rifles and comparing them to Dead man, and then made the one from my OP. And the difference is quite massive actually,where i get heals from elemental kills,where i add burn,where i have an explosion effect that kills low mobs,where i give cure to myself and allies,where the main hit dmg is around the same as dead man aswell,it just also feels much more interesting to play with knowing you have these effects going on. Dead man's tale needs "something" extra to compete with other ones.

In comparison with a legendary scout, DMT has a flat 30% damage bump against red bars and generates heavy ammo from Finder mods slightly faster for being an exotic. The main appeal for DMT is that you can hipfire fast and it has versatility, but it's just not very interesting. Incan causes explosions, heal clip causes a heal burst; it's visually more impactful. While imo both have their places, it's sad how a legendary version is cooler than the original exotic.

Exactly ! I really love the weapon and it's design and I remember using it years back where i felt like wow this hits hard. But now on prismatic hunter with a scout like in my op,you can clearly see who's the winner. Because the non exotic is also just much more interesting to play with,knowing you have all these other effects going on. Im on hunter,and this weap also gives me stealth on the elemental burn kills on top. Everything about this is so much more interesting as Dead mans while doing more damage overall and clearing add kills with explosions or burn and able to heal yourself and allies. Where Dead man is lacking all of this.

Just want Dead man to be atleast on par as other scout rifles. And be more interesting with its effects.

[LegPuller]

The gun is important because it's name represents the state of the game.

[LegPuller]

Serious note it was fun like 2 years ago when the hip firing was aim-bot and the perk allowed you to two-tap.

Scout rifles haven't ever been good in Destiny 2. Only in GM content when you need anti-barrier or something. Everything other weapon arch-type does the job quicker and better.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Smokey:

Originally posted by Kylito:

In comparison with a legendary scout, DMT has a flat 30% damage bump against red bars and generates heavy ammo from Finder mods slightly faster for being an exotic. The main appeal for DMT is that you can hipfire fast and it has versatility, but it's just not very interesting. Incan causes explosions, heal clip causes a heal burst; it's visually more impactful. While imo both have their places, it's sad how a legendary version is cooler than the original exotic.

Exactly ! I really love the weapon and it's design and I remember using it years back where i felt like wow this hits hard. But now on prismatic hunter with a scout like in my op,you can clearly see who's the winner. Because the non exotic is also just much more interesting to play with,knowing you have all these other effects going on. Im on hunter,and this weap also gives me stealth on the elemental burn kills on top. Everything about this is so much more interesting as Dead mans while doing more damage overall and clearing add kills with explosions or burn and able to heal yourself and allies. Where Dead man is lacking all of this.

Just want Dead man to be atleast on par as other scout rifles. And be more interesting with its effects.

The only idea I personally have is for it to have a special variant of Kinetic Tremors that is much stronger but only triggers off Hipfire, and that the enemies affected by it take extra damage from the ADS version, so you swap between the two for ideal damage. Even then, Kinetic weapons just can't compete with elemental synergy.

[mintTea]

Originally posted by DCR:

It was always a pvp gun, never a pve gun. It can't roll perks as you see fit. Now THAT would be a power fantasy. Be happy you have timeworn wayfarer, red borders in onslaught has stopped dropping here since 2 weeks ago.

craft it.

[Smokey]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Smokey:

Exactly ! I really love the weapon and it's design and I remember using it years back where i felt like wow this hits hard. But now on prismatic hunter with a scout like in my op,you can clearly see who's the winner. Because the non exotic is also just much more interesting to play with,knowing you have all these other effects going on. Im on hunter,and this weap also gives me stealth on the elemental burn kills on top. Everything about this is so much more interesting as Dead mans while doing more damage overall and clearing add kills with explosions or burn and able to heal yourself and allies. Where Dead man is lacking all of this.

Just want Dead man to be atleast on par as other scout rifles. And be more interesting with its effects.

The only idea I personally have is for it to have a special variant of Kinetic Tremors that is much stronger but only triggers off Hipfire, and that the enemies affected by it take extra damage from the ADS version, so you swap between the two for ideal damage. Even then, Kinetic weapons just can't compete with elemental synergy.

I think it needs some sort of explosion effect going on aswell,for instance when hitting 2 precision shots it does an explosion effect,or in any other way. The single target dmg is the main issue i feel where its just lacking against others that arent even exotic. I just feel theres really never a reason anymore to pick this weap above anything else,where non exotics can still do it better.

[SkaldedDawg]

Dead Man's Tale feels great, though.

[King ECHatron II]

I kept my non crafted DMT with Outlaw from when Presage first released when I just started playing the game and I racked up 21k PvE kills on it whilst it was a Barrier Scout season. I never use it anymore, but I'm keeping it as a reminder whilst it was in it's prime. IMO it was VERY good for scout rifle standards back then, keyword being "back then". Now legendaries outclass it...which is sad cause lookswise and concept-wise it's my favorite weapon and it's not even close. Not saying it was a good thing that it had perfect hip-fire, especially in PvP, but it was VERY fun to use to me in both modes.

[Smokey]

Originally posted by King ECHatron II:

I kept my non crafted DMT with Outlaw from when Presage first released when I just started playing the game and I racked up 21k PvE kills on it whilst it was a Barrier Scout season. I never use it anymore, but I'm keeping it as a reminder whilst it was in it's prime. IMO it was VERY good for scout rifle standards back then, keyword being "back then". Now legendaries outclass it...which is sad cause lookswise and concept-wise it's my favorite weapon and it's not even close. Not saying it was a good thing that it had perfect hip-fire, especially in PvP, but it was VERY fun to use to me in both modes.

Exactly.back then. Thats the issue, if you read my Op the comparison to the non exotic scout im using vs DMT is quite massive actually and I really love the rifle overall, I also love the looks of it and that ennio morricone whistle. But my other "test" non exotic scouts just do it better. Thats why I want this scout to be on par of others again and I just feel it needs something extra,like atleast some explosion effect going on aswell. Its from a Pve perspective though, I have no idea how this does in Pvp.

[Megumin's Husband]

I hate dmt i hope it never gets buffed

[DomeCracka]

ya its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ gun...i got over 2k kills with it in pvp alone...its great for shutting down all the hackers in the game now. they get so mad when i head pop them from across the map...especially when i toggle on. Game is a circus of cheaters and plebeians now. you can literally run around and just hack all over the place and nothing happens. Trust me i know. See you guys in the crucible;)