what is the meta heavy weapons?

[风中的松树]

havent played in about 6 months. what are the meta dps weapons?

[popmanbrad]

linear fusion rifles atm but there gonna be nerfed next season i believe but if you want a god roll craft a taipan with triple tap and firing line triple tap gives you free ammo if you keep hitting headshots which on bosses you will and firing line is a free damage buff as you need team mates near by and again your all gonna be squashed together in a well of radiance

[风中的松树]

Originally posted by popmanbrad:

linear fusion rifles atm but there gonna be nerfed next season i believe but if you want a god roll craft a taipan with triple tap and firing line triple tap gives you free ammo if you keep hitting headshots which on bosses you will and firing line is a free damage buff as you need team mates near by and again your all gonna be squashed together in a well of radiance

yeah ive got some good linears, didnt know if they was still meta for dps. just played with a dude that said the grand overture if the best dps heavy atm. is this true?

[>//The_FALCON]

LFRs when precision shots are possible

chill clip rockets with gjallarhorn when not but have ass ammo drop rates

lament is acceptable but not top of the line in terms of dps

don't bother with LMGs and GLs

grand overture is good dps as well, just not as good as chill clip gjallar combo

merciless with instant reload abilities and killing an add before boss dps is literally the highest dps gun right now

bungie will shake up the dps meta with lightfall

[Chizzit]

Season of the Seraph LMG is pretty good with a perk combo. Top 10 atm, but most lmgs aren't meta

[Ixamesh]

Yes, meta is mostly the same. LFRs, RLs, swords. There're new competitive options though.

Cloudstrike with TT from catalyst can be used for bigger bosses in sniper+RL combo instead of Izanagi.
Grand Overture, Merciless, Lord of Wolves got huge buffs. GO has to be stacked beforehand though and the other two run out of ammo fast.
Tempo on Leviathan's Breath was buffed.

Legend of Acrius got Trench Barrel and has no movement penalty anymore. Works well with melee focused builds, but the reload cancel sequence can be annoying.
Melee -> shoot+reload -> shoot+reload -> shoot+melee. https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/wni118/detailed_breakdown_of_acrius_trench_barrel_and/ you can also find a DPS spreadsheet link there

Gjallarhorn is more of a support weapon now after DMG nerf.
Divinity debuff is 15% now.
MGs got some buffs, including the new Target Lock perk. Xeno, Heir and Thunderlord with catalyst are also better now, considering ease of use.

Void 900RPM LMGs don't have internal CD on Volatile when using Gyrfalcon, but it can tank FPS for some players and mess with flying bosses.

[Chizzit]

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

a blowout (crucible legendary arc rocket) with quick launch, impact casing, demo and lasting impression is awesome, an easier rocket to farm for is hezen vengeance (vault of glass solar rocket) with lasting but you can't get demo lasting, you can however get auto loading lasting

there's a little goober fantasy rn that retrofit escapade is a "meta", it's not. it's very conditional and it just isn't good for killing bosses fast, but it's fun ig?? and it's not entirely awful

honorable mentions:
lament (genius)
parasite (used not very often but it is something you should pick up)
gjallarhorn (if you don't have any other rocket launcher ur prob using gjallarhorn in most runs for raids)


most of the best dps except for like two raids is double slug rockets, and there's lots of builds that you can make and use to make that better but since all mods are free now u can literally experiment with anything

linears suck don't @ me

According to most dps tests, this isn't the case, but meta is as meta does, and it doesn't really matter.

I like using some weapons that aren't meta, and I do just fine.

[RevelatorGaming]

Currently Linear Fusion Rifles have cemented their position as the highest DPS weapons for endgame content. Standouts like Grand Overture, Sleeper Simulant, and Gjallarhorn are really good for day to day and some endgame content. If you're a Warlock, Starfire Protocol, Well of Radiance, and Witherhoard are amazing for DPS in endgame content.

[AlphaVictorKilo]

Retrofit escapade is excellent when specced for a void build (volatile rounds are INSANE, added with boss spec, you can melt bosses pretty quickly with a few additional buffs)

[Chizzit]

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

Originally posted by Chizzit:

According to most dps tests, this isn't the case, but meta is as meta does, and it doesn't really matter.

I like using some weapons that aren't meta, and I do just fine.

what isn't the case? that linears gets outdps'd by rockets and double slug..?

...but they don't? Linears are the best dps currently, but rockets are still good.

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

Originally posted by RevelatorGaming:

Currently Linear Fusion Rifles have cemented their position as the highest DPS weapons for endgame content. Standouts like Grand Overture, Sleeper Simulant, and Gjallarhorn are really good for day to day and some endgame content. If you're a Warlock, Starfire Protocol, Well of Radiance, and Witherhoard are amazing for DPS in endgame content.

LIE!!! YOU'RE A LIAR HAHAHAH LIAR!!!!

He isn't lying though. All the D2 youtubers that do the number crunching and tests have proven that linears are the best dps in the game atm. This is why Bungie is shifting up the meta with Lightfall.

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

Originally posted by AlphaVictorKilo:

Retrofit escapade is excellent when specced for a void build (volatile rounds are INSANE, added with boss spec, you can melt bosses pretty quickly with a few additional buffs)

you're schizophrenic and blocked

...but this is completely accurate. Void LMGs don't have a cooldown on volatile rounds, so with the hunter exotic is is quite good.

Without a hunter, it is still a pretty nice gun that is fun to use imo.

[AlphaVictorKilo]

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

also the d2 youtubers in question told people that merciless and retrofit escapade are meta weapons.

retrofit escapade requires volatile, gyrafalcons, divinity and even then on atheon it takes almost the entire DPS phase to kill him, but i have the ability to kill him in 10 seconds without even shooting him


#WHAT

Just because it's bad for bosses doesn't make it bad for other things

Retrofit escapade is excellent for

1. Ad clear (one of the best, if not THE best, especially if you roll with a larger mag perk/mag refill perk)

2. Challenging enemies are melted (great for nightfalls/challenge encounters)

3. Melt guardians in the crucible

All of that is possible without having to have G-falcon/volatile rounds/etc

The measuring stick isn't always Boss DPS with the max no. of buffs

In fact I have one with frenzy and it's excellent for the heist final boss room, pull it out to clear out ads so we don't get swarmed while the two others lay on DPS for the boss (and make quick work of those arc charge captains. Very quick work)

[Chizzit]

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

also the d2 youtubers in question told people that merciless and retrofit escapade are meta weapons.

retrofit escapade requires volatile, gyrafalcons, divinity and even then on atheon it takes almost the entire DPS phase to kill him, but i have the ability to kill him in 10 seconds without even shooting him


#WHAT

Context.

They can be lower tier meta if paired with certain builds, as is everything in this game.

Back when Xenophage was meta, it wasn't just meta by itself. Having the charged with light mod for increased weapon damage and font of might made it amazing. Currently the linear fusion rifles that have triple tap and firing line are meta, but firing line requires you being near teammates, making the "meta damage" not as viable for solo content.

Everything meta in this game requires some other aspect to work with it. Strawmanning some weapons while advocating others that require the same (rockets are only good dps with gjallahorn procing the legendary rockets) is sort of dumb.

But you do as you will. The OP asked for what the meta is, and currently it's mainly LFRs. 90% of the game is not challenging due to power creep, so you can really get away with using whatever you want for most the content.

[Chizzit]

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

Originally posted by AlphaVictorKilo:

Just because it's bad for bosses doesn't make it bad for other things

Retrofit escapade is excellent for

1. Ad clear (one of the best, if not THE best, especially if you roll with a larger mag perk/mag refill perk)

2. Challenging enemies are melted (great for nightfalls/challenge encounters)

3. Melt guardians in the crucible

All of that is possible without having to have G-falcon/volatile rounds/etc

The measuring stick isn't always Boss DPS with the max no. of buffs

In fact I have one with frenzy and it's excellent for the heist final boss room, pull it out to clear out ads so we don't get swarmed while the two others lay on DPS for the boss (and make quick work of those arc charge captains. Very quick work)

thunderlord jolts everything and tears through ads very fast
avalanche can roll with incandescent and subsistence
seventh seraph saw is easy to get and can get vorpal on it
qullims is easy to get and is a machine gun

why would you use a machine gun in heavy slot when there's just so many better choices

also BTDUBS rockets are pretty good at killing a lot of ads at one time!! you can also three shot almost every major enemy with a slug shotgun!!

thunderlord also chews through its ammo very quickly, making ammo economy horrible with it (it's hella fun, but not good for longevity)
avalanche is a good ad clear, but not good for single target dps
seventh seraph is also fun, but there are better options for single target dps
same as above, there are other options

machine guns are fun, same as swords. LFRs are the meta, but most all other weapons are fun. I liked using heavy grenade launchers for a while, and did a lot of nightfalls with them.

Rocket launchers are good for ad clear, especially with a chain reaction roll, but they aren't as good for single target dps, at least not unless you have gjallahorn procing them, and even then that isn't the best for single target dps.

Again, the game is super easy for most of the content, so you can really do whatever you want, but right now, in season 19, we are in a LFR meta. It is what it is.

[Chizzit]

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

no way you're still advocating for linear meta when I've literally given you a chart proving that your weapons are out dps'd by rocket double slug & is just faster in every way shape and form to kill bosses with

...and how do I know this chart is accurate?

Regardless, your chart doesn't have all the data. Where are swords? Where are heavy gls? Where are LMGs?

Also, how does this chart show data? What perks are the guns based on? Do the Precisions LFRs have triple tap and firing line, or some other perk combo? Are all the rocket launchers buffed with gjallahorn, or some perk combination that they have?

The chart you presented doesn't include all the info for heavy weapons, nor does it say how it determined the data it presents.

...so yes, I'll continue to go with the spreadsheets and videos presented by d2 youtubers that show all their proof and how they used different perk combos / armour interactions / weapon interactions to get their data.

Basically it's like claiming that malfeasance is the best dps hand canon without first saying that you have to "make an enemy taken" with witherhorde first. Show proof to your claim.

EDIT: Just looked at the chart again, and it says "Damage numbers assume no buffs". So, this is misleading, because while the base damage of a rocket launcher is the best of any heavy weapon, it is not the best dps in the game BECAUSE OF THE BUFFS. A LFR will out dps a rocket launcher any day if you have the right perks and buffs applied. This is why there is a meta update coming with Lightfall to nerf LFRs some.

[@xaker89]

That cute_gamer3 lol

[Chizzit]

Originally posted by cute_gamer3:

Originally posted by Chizzit:

...and how do I know this chart is accurate?

Regardless, your chart doesn't have all the data. Where are swords? Where are heavy gls? Where are LMGs?

Also, how does this chart show data? What perks are the guns based on? Do the Precisions LFRs have triple tap and firing line, or some other perk combo? Are all the rocket launchers buffed with gjallahorn, or some perk combination that they have?

The chart you presented doesn't include all the info for heavy weapons, nor does it say how it determined the data it presents.

...so yes, I'll continue to go with the spreadsheets and videos presented by d2 youtubers that show all their proof and how they used different perk combos / armour interactions / weapon interactions to get their data.

Basically it's like claiming that malfeasance is the best dps hand canon without first saying that you have to "make an enemy taken" with witherhorde first. Show proof to your claim.

EDIT: Just looked at the chart again, and it says "Damage numbers assume no buffs". So, this is misleading, because while the base damage of a rocket launcher is the best of any heavy weapon, it is not the best dps in the game BECAUSE OF THE BUFFS. A LFR will out dps a rocket launcher any day if you have the right perks and buffs applied. This is why there is a meta update coming with Lightfall to nerf LFRs some.

I literally said in my message that the charts don't include any buffed damage so that only raw damage output is shown

instead of arguing with you because you're literally just a brick wall, i'm gonna not reply to you, if you want we can do into a cp and do a dps test and see who gets more otherwise feel free to just be wrong...

I mean, there's already been dps tests on YouTube showing that you're wrong.

...but regardless, the OP asked what the meta is, and the meta is LFR. If you want to say it isn't, fair enough, but that doesn't make it true.

If you do a dps test, please show us the results. Don't forget to show buffs and rolls that can affect it also!