You ask why Bungie doesn't add raid matchmaking?

[Weaver]

I am in a nightfall right now with 2 people who don't have a slightest clue about wtf to do. When you click on guardian games competitive playlist, it shows you all the shields, all the champions. The game even tells you in big letters PLEASE HAVE AT LEAST ONE WEAPON FOR BARRIER CHAMPIONS.
The 2 absolute geniuses I ended up with, one of them at least has an unstoppable mod, but he's using an overload smg and cerberus+1. Double primary, Carl. Both for the wrong kind of champion who aren't even in this activity. The other Einstein doesn't have any champion mods on at all. Whatever, right? Some other guy will surely take care of that. Well I won't, and I'd like other people who go into such playlists with the intent to shift their weight on others' shoulder to know. I'll just requeue.
Although witnessing for 5 straight minutes as they try to take on a barrier champion was funny. No, they aren't new lights, they are both above 100 season pass level, both at 1550, one has the grasp of avarice emblem on. I don't know what goes on in their minds. They're both on console though, that's interesting : D Tell me couch potatoes, are you all like that?

[Comissar person[FIN]]

have you ever tried to control a herd of sugar rush powered children? its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ impossible
or better, herd of scared meth fueled cats

[Milkshaker]

Your post is completely missing the point, and a perfect example how some fail to understand what it means when people ask for "Matchmaking."

Because BOTH PROBLEMS ARE FIXABLE:
1) Bungie could fix Nightfall matchmaking so you aren't allowed in without champ mods.
2) Bungie could give options Raid matchmaking to exclude other platforms.

The point is that the LFG we have, is essentialy matchmaking, just a terrible version. You go on discord with people you never played before, know nothing about, manually have to check their stats etc...

Just let me search players in-game, enter a lobby, check their stats with a click on their name, fireteam leader can kick ppl who don't comply/respond... it could be so much easier.
Payday2 does this, Killing Floor 2 does this... you check out players before you play with them. Every game can do it, but nooooo, Destiny 2 has to go the Stone Age way.

When ppl ask for "Matchmaking", they just want the LFG process streamlined, in-game.

[Techno2k8]

I wouldn't waste your time people, I am pretty sure this is the same person the other week complaining about the same thing for Nightfalls on Hero or Legend Difficulty.

They seem to think that every perspective player should go and learn every armour and weapon interaction, with every possible mod combination and run only what the sweaty YouTubers run.

They also don't seem to understand that you DO NOT NEED Anti-Barrier because you can kill them with a single rocket normally!

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by Techno2k8:

I wouldn't waste your time people, I am pretty sure this is the same person the other week complaining about the same thing for Nightfalls on Hero or Legend Difficulty.

They seem to think that every perspective player should go and learn every armour and weapon interaction, with every possible mod combination and run only what the sweaty YouTubers run.

They also don't seem to understand that you DO NOT NEED Anti-Barrier because you can kill them with a single rocket normally!

So what you're suggesting is that people should just blindly run in like a headless chicken, into a mode that requires you to bring something to deal with something in order to progress?

Ok.

[Techno2k8]

Originally posted by R A Z E R:

Originally posted by Techno2k8:

I wouldn't waste your time people, I am pretty sure this is the same person the other week complaining about the same thing for Nightfalls on Hero or Legend Difficulty.

They seem to think that every perspective player should go and learn every armour and weapon interaction, with every possible mod combination and run only what the sweaty YouTubers run.

They also don't seem to understand that you DO NOT NEED Anti-Barrier because you can kill them with a single rocket normally!

So what you're suggesting is that people should just blindly run in like a headless chicken, into a mode that requires you to bring something to deal with something in order to progress?

Ok.

Nope but they could quite easily since Text Chat works on Console, have put a message in to ask one of them to put the mod's on.

The problem is people seem to think Console players are stupid or lazy, I know a few who are neither but honestly hate playing with PC players because of the attitude the OP has.

It's not difficult to send a message, but it seems it's easier to rant on Steam where the Console players are not really going to see it!

[sophAur]

remember when new lights got abducted to xur's show? I think that's enough to show how matchmaking could ♥♥♥♥ up

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by Techno2k8:

Originally posted by R A Z E R:

So what you're suggesting is that people should just blindly run in like a headless chicken, into a mode that requires you to bring something to deal with something in order to progress?

Ok.

Nope but they could quite easily since Text Chat works on Console, have put a message in to ask one of them to put the mod's on.

The problem is people seem to think Console players are stupid or lazy, I know a few who are neither but honestly hate playing with PC players because of the attitude the OP has.

It's not difficult to send a message, but it seems it's easier to rant on Steam where the Console players are not really going to see it!

Ah okay, fair enough.

[Siett]

raid matchmaking would not be an issue because you could form a fireteam just as you do know and que up to be taken right to the raid as with any other mmo that has raid matchmaking.... what it would do is give more players more time to learn the raid. will matchmade raids be worse than a pre-formed fireteam ... sure. However it will expose more players to more of the raids thereby making players better.

[Delta]

Originally posted by Siett:

raid matchmaking would not be an issue because you could form a fireteam just as you do know and que up to be taken right to the raid as with any other mmo that has raid matchmaking.... what it would do is give more players more time to learn the raid. will matchmade raids be worse than a pre-formed fireteam ... sure. However it will expose more players to more of the raids thereby making players better.

Not even close to what would happen lol.

People can't even properly do the Corrupted Strike mechanics.

A STRIKE mechanic.

Enough said.

[Pain Weasel]

I would agree that in the Guardian Games Competitive Playlist is one of the few places it should be required to take anti-barrier. Yes, you can take them out without it easily enough, but the stun from breaking the shield makes pulling off Insult to Injury much easier and just killing the champion without that is pretty much just throwing away free points.

Also, this is the same sort of complaint people used to pull out when arguing against adding matchmaking to Nightfalls back in the day. Some version of "my team sucked, therefore all teams will suck, so no matchmaking for anyone". Besides, I've always figured that if someone consistently find himself on terrible teams maybe the problem isn't everyone else.

[MicroPiggie]

in all Guardian games legend matchmaking you don't need people with mods or match game you can just run them yourself and take care of them any higher it is a problem

[Nibbie]

Originally posted by Milkshaker:

Your post is completely missing the point, and a perfect example how some fail to understand what it means when people ask for "Matchmaking."

Because BOTH PROBLEMS ARE FIXABLE:
1) Bungie could fix Nightfall matchmaking so you aren't allowed in without champ mods.
2) Bungie could give options Raid matchmaking to exclude other platforms.

I think you are the one who entirely missed the point. I really don't see what you think 2 would solve. More importantly, at the point you have to implement 1, you have already proven his point. If a player isn't smart enough to put on even a single mod for an activity, why would they be smart enough to make a decent build, play as a team, do the mechanics, and so on.

As for the rest of your post, matchmaking =/= LFG. They have the same goal, but different expectations and experiences. I fully support LFG in game, Bungie already has an official LFG, all they have to do is make it accessible without needing a separate browser. Matchmaking though would very rarely be effective. The main problem is your examples don't need nearly as much communication as a Destiny raid does. For the most part you just do whatever your role is in other games, or you don't have to equip certain things to succeed. Quick, clear comms and proper equipment is required for many raid encounters, and that just isn't something you are going to get from randos. Even sending them messages like someone else snarkily suggested doesn't work; I've tried multiple times to explain something as simple as the Corrupted mechanics, and not once has a teammate responded. I don't even want to try explaining something like Rhulk.

Matchmade raids could succeed, but not nearly often enough to justify the development work and negative experiences that would spawn from it.

[Siett]

Originally posted by Delta:

Originally posted by Siett:

raid matchmaking would not be an issue because you could form a fireteam just as you do know and que up to be taken right to the raid as with any other mmo that has raid matchmaking.... what it would do is give more players more time to learn the raid. will matchmade raids be worse than a pre-formed fireteam ... sure. However it will expose more players to more of the raids thereby making players better.

Not even close to what would happen lol.

People can't even properly do the Corrupted Strike mechanics.

A STRIKE mechanic.

Enough said.

if you dont want a bluberry team you would just have to do what you do now and form a fireteam before you que... i dont understand how this would effect anyone in a negative way. it would take nothing away but it would add another option for people to partake in if they choose... that being said your arguement is moot. just to make sure you understand how moot your argument is once again if you dont want to deal with a fireteam of randoms all you have to do is for a fireteam before you que.... you dont get any of those bad runs if you dont want to. So by continuing to argue about how bad it would be you are just gate keeping to gate keep.

[Delta]

Originally posted by Siett:

Originally posted by Delta:

Not even close to what would happen lol.

People can't even properly do the Corrupted Strike mechanics.

A STRIKE mechanic.

Enough said.

if you dont want a bluberry team you would just have to do what you do now and form a fireteam before you que... i dont understand how this would effect anyone in a negative way. it would take nothing away but it would add another option for people to partake in if they choose... that being said your arguement is moot. just to make sure you understand how moot your argument is once again if you dont want to deal with a fireteam of randoms all you have to do is for a fireteam before you que.... you dont get any of those bad runs if you dont want to. So by continuing to argue about how bad it would be you are just gate keeping to gate keep.

The fact that you think it wouldn't effect anyone in a negative way shows why you will never understand how dumb it is to want matchmaking for Raids.

Also I will gate keep if I want, nothing wrong with that concept at all.

[Emurinus]

We can take a good look at Guided Games as an omen to how an actual raid matchmaker would work.