What the hell is this confusing game design?

[Schmidti]

I played D2 on release till the first season. Now I wanted to return and made a new charakter. I started at the cosmodrome with a new campaign (Farm is non existent anymore?) and got a quest from Shaw Han. I was tired and decided to play the quest tomorrow.
Well, now I'm somehow on mars? My quest "First Light" or what it was called is gone and I'm in the Witch Queen campaign? What is this sh*t? Way to repell returning players.

[Nakos]

There are three quests that start automatically:

New Light: A Guardian Rises. This is the opening quest for new characters. You should complete this quest before doing any others.

The opening quest of the Witch Queen campaign. This is to promote the new expansion.

The opening quest of the specific season you're playing in (S17 at the time of this writing). This is to give you the Seasonal Artifact, which everyone needs.

Yes, you're correct, the design is confusing for new players.


The Farm has been vaulted, it is no longer available to be played. The Red War, Curse of Osiris and Warmind have all been vaulted. The campaign from Forsaken has been vaulted, although much of the content remains extant.

If you want the details on what they vaulted and why I suggest reading the information Bungie provided. You can find that here: https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/360049202971-Destiny-Content-Vault

[The MidgetCrusader69]

Originally posted by Echoplex25:

Don't bother playing if you haven't touched the game and don't own the new DLC or a new player
Cause thanks to Bungie, this game is 100% not for anyone new. And even when you buy the DLCs (which you shouldn't cause Beyond Light and Shadowkeep are both terrible) the way to progress is beyond confusing and tedious
I don't know why these tards at Bungie made such a terrible new light experience, you'd think with a company of over 600 people, one of these imbeciles would've thought "hey we should try to have the new experience actually enjoyable for new players!"

Don't listen to this total BS. The game is amazing and is great for new players

[☬ Crow ☬]

Originally posted by Echoplex25:

Don't bother playing if you haven't touched the game and don't own the new DLC or a new player
Cause thanks to Bungie, this game is 100% not for anyone new. And even when you buy the DLCs (which you shouldn't cause Beyond Light and Shadowkeep are both terrible) the way to progress is beyond confusing and tedious
I don't know why these tards at Bungie made such a terrible new light experience, you'd think with a company of over 600 people, one of these imbeciles would've thought "hey we should try to have the new experience actually enjoyable for new players!"

Do you really just lurk discussions of games you don't like? God I would give ANYTHING to have that type of time on my hands..

[Xeph The Tamagotchi]

Originally posted by Echoplex25:

Don't bother playing if you haven't touched the game and don't own the new DLC or a new player
Cause thanks to Bungie, this game is 100% not for anyone new. And even when you buy the DLCs (which you shouldn't cause Beyond Light and Shadowkeep are both terrible) the way to progress is beyond confusing and tedious
I don't know why these tards at Bungie made such a terrible new light experience, you'd think with a company of over 600 people, one of these imbeciles would've thought "hey we should try to have the new experience actually enjoyable for new players!"

the hell is this spew of BS? Though they removed a lot of the old stuff, could you IMAGEN if you had to A: level from 1-30, B: do ALL the missions from red war onward, and C: Be able to do ALL that PLUS everything up to shadowkeep FREE? I bought EVERY expansions, i DO miss some of the older missions but honestly its not bad. Destiny 1 and 2 have usually been about finding your own fun. I think of them as a sand box game, and also find it is MUCH more enjoyable with friends.

[Armitage Shanks]

It's not a difficult game to figure out, You shoot stuff and follow the dot to the end of the mission. If you're so easily confused by a shift in location in a game that's comprised entirely of what I just said, perhaps computer games aren't for you.

[Schmidti]

Originally posted by Armitage Shanks:

It's not a difficult game to figure out, You shoot stuff and follow the dot to the end of the mission. If you're so easily confused by a shift in location in a game that's comprised entirely of what I just said, perhaps computer games aren't for you.

You know, if you feel the need to cheat in a multiplayer game, as your ban suggests, perhaps you too shouldn't play games ;)

Thank you all for the answers, I tried it out and I'm not interested in a game that urges me to buy dlc's that someday get removed from the game.

[Armitage Shanks]

Originally posted by SergeantSchmidt:

Originally posted by Armitage Shanks:

It's not a difficult game to figure out, You shoot stuff and follow the dot to the end of the mission. If you're so easily confused by a shift in location in a game that's comprised entirely of what I just said, perhaps computer games aren't for you.

You know, if you feel the need to cheat in a multiplayer game, as your ban suggests, perhaps you too shouldn't play games ;)

Thank you all for the answers, I tried it out and I'm not interested in a game that urges me to buy dlc's that someday get removed from the game.

lol, nice ad hominem. At least my comment was valid. You're clearly too easily confused to be any good at simple video games.

Yeah, I have a game ban from a game I owned 5 years ago for an hour and received the game ban a year and a half after I refunded it. I fail to see how that disqualifies me from playing games. You on the other hand seem to be of low intelligence, which is a valid reason to think you should perhaps stick to finger painting with non-toxic water based paints.

Destiny 2's better off without you.

[Rutabaga]

Originally posted by Xeph The Tamagotchi:

Originally posted by Echoplex25:

Don't bother playing if you haven't touched the game and don't own the new DLC or a new player
Cause thanks to Bungie, this game is 100% not for anyone new. And even when you buy the DLCs (which you shouldn't cause Beyond Light and Shadowkeep are both terrible) the way to progress is beyond confusing and tedious
I don't know why these tards at Bungie made such a terrible new light experience, you'd think with a company of over 600 people, one of these imbeciles would've thought "hey we should try to have the new experience actually enjoyable for new players!"

the hell is this spew of BS? Though they removed a lot of the old stuff, could you IMAGEN if you had to A: level from 1-30, B: do ALL the missions from red war onward, and C: Be able to do ALL that PLUS everything up to shadowkeep FREE? I bought EVERY expansions, i DO miss some of the older missions but honestly its not bad. Destiny 1 and 2 have usually been about finding your own fun. I think of them as a sand box game, and also find it is MUCH more enjoyable with friends.

No, I definitely agree that it's kind of bad for new players, and it has been bad for new players for a while. The New Light quest has a lot of issues getting people invested. Quite frankly, they should make small quests for new players that tries to introduce them to whatever content is currently available. That way they aren't lost in the story and can actually experience it.

As an example for when they vaulted everything after Arrivals: They should have introduced New Lights to Cayde in a quest after doing the Shaw Han stuff. Afterwards, they would have to run through Arms Dealer and Exodus Down. Once that's complete, they would be recruited for the first mission of Forsaken. With that, they are invested in what is the first story chronologically available to them. That way, Cayde wouldn't have been a complete stranger to New Players for Forsaken. They'd be more invested in the fact that someone killed him.