Its hard for destiny to grow as a game when its so hostile to new players.

[DJukor]

And i am not talking about the player-base the community is surprisingly pretty great for PVE content.
The game itself is designed in such a way that scares of any new players and makes them feel the biggest sense of FOMO than any other game.
Main issue is that a game that focuses so much on storytelling and lore treats its story like limited time FOMO content and only caters to existing player-base who plays the game from the start. TO have any idea of whats going on you have to watch several hours of YouTube videos.
When i booth the game 4 months ago it was nearing the end of season of the wish.
I had to marathon the game and watch 30+ hours of YouTube just so i can get up to the current content because i had major FOMO over missing out on the story-lines of the 4 Light-fall seasons that ware gonna be gone forever in 3 months. I had 500 hours of playtime in just under 2 months because of it. Its not something everyone can tolerate.
And the fact the game loves shoving you in to latest campaign expansions or seasonal missions by force does not help for people who are sensitiveness to spoilers.
The game really needs to make the most important missions and moments in the series story playable in some kind of curated timeline whit additional cut-scenes. They can even make some of the story content simply videos that play in between missions so they don't have to bring the assets and locations for those story segments.
The current timeline is kinda garbage. Its a single mission and a minute long video about random stuff in between whit some bare minimum text.
I think each season should have a handful of missions and some cut-scenes on the timeline not just be some text.

[Doctor Proteus]

Destiny 2 does have a problem with being impenetrable to new Players. I know this because I am one, I've been playing for about half a year now, and have completed all of the content still available in chronological order(including the Light Fall Seasons) OP is right about the game insisting on forcing new players into the new campaign against their will from the login screen, that should not be happening. It doesn't matter if we can just go back to orbit and restart it whenever we want, that is working around the problem, not fixing it. What I say is not tainted by brand loyalty bias or nostalgia goggles.

The "you had to be there" nature of the game is indeed a hindrance for any new players. I am playing Echoes now and they are constantly dropping names, places and events I have never heard of or have heard but have no real understanding of. No, it's not the Players responsibility to ruin the immersion and have to watch hours of YouTube videos to know what the hell the characters are talking about. If they're going to keep doing that, then the game needs to bring the player up to speed, not just expect them to know.

And before anyone brings it up, I'm going to bring up the book analogy some people have used against me as a defence against the screwed up chronology. Some people have argued that what I am complaining about is like jumping into a book series at the end. this analogy is wrong, as with a book series, I can start at the beginning whenever I want, and the previous books don't get deleted by the author like how Bungie deletes old game content.

Dungeons and Raids are especially hard to get into, and yet they get so much attention from Bungie. I've looked around and a very low percentage of the games playerbase even ever gets to see a raid, let alone complete them, made even more difficult due to the elitist gatekeeper attitude so many Veteran Players have. So basically those are a waste of time and resources on Bungie's part and a waste of hardrive space for the majority of the players. I would recommend adding solo story versions and matchmaking versions that do away with the awkward (memorise pictures and communicate stuff over the mic to your team) mechanics which are a colossal barrier) the loot of course would be way worse, on par with completing a PVE campaign at best.

You can Jester emote all you want, but it won't stop the game from perishing if it cannot attract and retain new Players. The minority Elitist Gatekeepers cannot sustain the game by themselves. Know this, the Elitists, the Gate Keepers, the Raiders, you cannot sustain this game by yourselves, you cannot hoard the game for yourself so you can maintain a snobbish "better than the rest" feeling and expect it to live. The game does, in fact, need new players, and it needs to retain them. Anyone saying otherwise is a parasite killing the game.

[DJukor]

Im not sure about Raids and Dungeon being hard to get in to.
You can literally join most parties in Fire-team finder and point out you are new and they will just let you do ad clear duty.
Or explain a couple of mechanics you need to do.
Dungeons especial older ones can even be soloed.
Most of the time when people complain about raids or dungeons being hard to get in to are people who don't even try.
Id even argue Raids are among some of the easier in most MMOs on normal difficulty.
Its actually quite simple mechanics you just have to do them under fire.
Watching a short video explaining the mechanics is sometimes more than enough to clear a raid in less than a day.

Discord Desteny2LFG has Sherpa's who are people who teach people raids and dungeon for fun.

Id argue they are only hard to get in to if you are one of those people who refuses to do any social interaction whatsoever in a Online game.

[Sainthill]

i did the first quest in the season of echo, unfortunately took all the mystery out of the game before going through old campaigns. bright side is i get a Robo pal who is shocked how many cataclysms have happened without them being looped into it lol. it's a good game and sure we could make Destiny more like Genshin Impact! but i do think if i wanted to play Genshin's idea of a bow build i'd just play genshin and let my limited 5* credit card let me buy all the previous weapons i missed. i think you agree the exact same, seeing as we both are here talking about half a year in about how we are new and have been retained this long? my friends all played elden ring for a month and then dropped it. the dlc came out, and they played it again and now they're over it again. just recently i went through campaign with a lower clanmember and guess what? they skipped every cinematic and story beat they could, they couldn't care less about the story and just wanted to get to the pew pews so should we carve out all the excess story in the way of the puzzles and shooting? even more than we do already? i think if we carve out the gameplay so that everyone can experience the story...you already named it as existing as videos without the pesky gameplay and speaking to other people. You can Jester all you want but my new light clanmate would rather carve out all the story so that he can just play all the strikes and group content instead of being forced through the campaign to preserve the story impact. who am i to judge you for preferring to marathon days worth of videos and playthroughs to feel like you are fully prepared to run The Glassway strike? if it makes you happy to watch all the previous cinematics in chronological order, follow your bliss! my new light companion and i will enjoy life on life's terms and i'll watch the cinematics on my own time as though i am reminiscing on past events and not experiencing my own story as an audience member.

[Xenu]

Y'all so dramatic my god.

I bought the game recently with all the DLC and it took me a weekend to get used to how the game works. I love it and i'm completely addicted to it. it's not an hostile experience at all.

For the dungeons/raids I don't know I just pop a youtube video watch it and i'm ready to do it like any raid in any new MMO you play.

Stop being such babies about it

[Apophysnipe]

i'm old new player ( back in on june maybe ). DOnjon and raid are incredibly hard...

[trukr]

795 hours in game in four months, but the game was hostile?

Placing people in the intro to seasons/campaigns was to fix a problem caused by players that spam buttons to hurry up and get in game and skip over the screen telling them how to. They would then come here and post "How do I start this" complaining the game doesn't show them, there were a lot more of those than you. Considering you can abandon it and go back when you want, it's not really a big problem and is better than the stacks of "How do I start" post.

RAIDs and Dungeons hard to get in to? The game has a built-in fire team builder for you to find games in need of people or people to fill out your fire team. As a new player, those activities are not likely to be what you want to do anyway, or do you expect the game to start you out fully kitted? They are meant to be difficult, do other things until you are ready.

If you watch insane amounts of youtube to play this game, that's on you, there is no need for that. A little bit is one thing, 30 hours? LOL

Oh no, you heard a name you don't know, it's over, how can you play the game and not know who that is?

I gave a PC and this game to a literal 12 year old a few months ago, he is doing RAIDs and Dungeons. No, I don't hang out there and tell him how to do things, I have never done a RAID, but that is not from lack of understanding how to get a team.

Impenetrable, LOL
Such drama.

Edit: You post a rational explanation of things and you get clowned. Some people don't want solutions, they just want chaos, but thanks for the Steam points.

[trukr]

Originally posted by Apophysnipe:

i'm old new player ( back in on june maybe ). DOnjon and raid are incredibly hard...

They have always been hard, they're meant to be hard. I suspect they're not as hard as you think though, I suspect it's more not knowing the mechanics of them.

[GBZara]

Originally posted by DJukor:

And i am not talking about the player-base the community is surprisingly pretty great for PVE content.
The game itself is designed in such a way that scares of any new players and makes them feel the biggest sense of FOMO than any other game.
Main issue is that a game that focuses so much on storytelling and lore treats its story like limited time FOMO content and only caters to existing player-base who plays the game from the start. TO have any idea of whats going on you have to watch several hours of YouTube videos.
When i booth the game 4 months ago it was nearing the end of season of the wish.
I had to marathon the game and watch 30+ hours of YouTube just so i can get up to the current content because i had major FOMO over missing out on the story-lines of the 4 Light-fall seasons that ware gonna be gone forever in 3 months. I had 500 hours of playtime in just under 2 months because of it. Its not something everyone can tolerate.
And the fact the game loves shoving you in to latest campaign expansions or seasonal missions by force does not help for people who are sensitiveness to spoilers.
The game really needs to make the most important missions and moments in the series story playable in some kind of curated timeline whit additional cut-scenes. They can even make some of the story content simply videos that play in between missions so they don't have to bring the assets and locations for those story segments.
The current timeline is kinda garbage. Its a single mission and a minute long video about random stuff in between whit some bare minimum text.
I think each season should have a handful of missions and some cut-scenes on the timeline not just be some text.

totally agree, telling friends about this game and trying to onboard them when they know nothing about the lore has been so damn hard. i tried experimenting with a F2P account and the amount of popups was mobile gacha game level. if the game is to survive with a vastly diminished Bungie, Destiny will need a good strong injection of new players with an overhauled new player experience. Way too many people are comfortable defending this aspect of the game.

[GBZara]

Originally posted by trukr:

795 hours in game in four months, but the game was hostile?

Placing people in the intro to seasons/campaigns was to fix a problem caused by players that spam buttons to hurry up and get in game and skip over the screen telling them how to. They would then come here and post "How do I start this" complaining the game doesn't show them, there were a lot more of those than you. Considering you can abandon it and go back when you want, it's not really a big problem and is better than the stacks of "How do I start" post.

RAIDs and Dungeons hard to get in to? The game has a built-in fire team builder for you to find games in need of people or people to fill out your fire team. As a new player, those activities are not likely to be what you want to do anyway, or do you expect the game to start you out fully kitted? They are meant to be difficult, do other things until you are ready.

If you watch insane amounts of youtube to play this game, that's on you, there is no need for that. A little bit is one thing, 30 hours? LOL

Oh no, you heard a name you don't know, it's over, how can you play the game and not know who that is?

I gave a PC and this game to a literal 12 year old a few months ago, he is doing RAIDs and Dungeons. No, I don't hang out there and tell him how to do things, I have never done a RAID, but that is not from lack of understanding how to get a team.

Impenetrable, LOL
Such drama.

OK

[Jake]

Some people proving bros point in real time

[Sainthill]

Originally posted by Jake:

Some people proving bros point in real time

did you know it is possible for an opinion to be incorrect?

[Doctor Proteus]

Originally posted by trukr:

795 hours in game in four months, but the game was hostile?

Placing people in the intro to seasons/campaigns was to fix a problem caused by players that spam buttons to hurry up and get in game and skip over the screen telling them how to. They would then come here and post "How do I start this" complaining the game doesn't show them, there were a lot more of those than you. Considering you can abandon it and go back when you want, it's not really a big problem and is better than the stacks of "How do I start" post.

RAIDs and Dungeons hard to get in to? The game has a built-in fire team builder for you to find games in need of people or people to fill out your fire team. As a new player, those activities are not likely to be what you want to do anyway, or do you expect the game to start you out fully kitted? They are meant to be difficult, do other things until you are ready.

If you watch insane amounts of youtube to play this game, that's on you, there is no need for that. A little bit is one thing, 30 hours? LOL

Oh no, you heard a name you don't know, it's over, how can you play the game and not know who that is?

I gave a PC and this game to a literal 12 year old a few months ago, he is doing RAIDs and Dungeons. No, I don't hang out there and tell him how to do things, I have never done a RAID, but that is not from lack of understanding how to get a team.

Impenetrable, LOL
Such drama.

Yeah I expected the consummate contrarian to response in this way, as you always do. You are the kind of people I describe, and you are the death of Destiny.

[trukr]

Originally posted by Doctor Proteus:

Originally posted by trukr:

795 hours in game in four months, but the game was hostile?

Placing people in the intro to seasons/campaigns was to fix a problem caused by players that spam buttons to hurry up and get in game and skip over the screen telling them how to. They would then come here and post "How do I start this" complaining the game doesn't show them, there were a lot more of those than you. Considering you can abandon it and go back when you want, it's not really a big problem and is better than the stacks of "How do I start" post.

RAIDs and Dungeons hard to get in to? The game has a built-in fire team builder for you to find games in need of people or people to fill out your fire team. As a new player, those activities are not likely to be what you want to do anyway, or do you expect the game to start you out fully kitted? They are meant to be difficult, do other things until you are ready.

If you watch insane amounts of youtube to play this game, that's on you, there is no need for that. A little bit is one thing, 30 hours? LOL

Oh no, you heard a name you don't know, it's over, how can you play the game and not know who that is?

I gave a PC and this game to a literal 12 year old a few months ago, he is doing RAIDs and Dungeons. No, I don't hang out there and tell him how to do things, I have never done a RAID, but that is not from lack of understanding how to get a team.

Impenetrable, LOL
Such drama.

Yeah I expected the consummate contrarian to response in this way, as you always do. You are the kind of people I describe, and you are the death of Destiny.

Right, I play the game, buy the content for multiple people that pickup and enjoy the game, but I am the problem. I would posit that it's you and those like you that harm the game, by scaring away prospective new players with your complaints. You make it sound like it's next to impossible to play as a new player, it's not.

Edit: Thanks for the Steam points.

[Doctor Proteus]

Originally posted by trukr:

Originally posted by Doctor Proteus:

Yeah I expected the consummate contrarian to response in this way, as you always do. You are the kind of people I describe, and you are the death of Destiny.

Right, I play the game, buy the content for multiple people that pickup and enjoy the game, but I am the problem. I would posit that it's you and those like you that harm the game, by scaring away prospective new players with your complaints. You make it sound like it's next to impossible to play as a new player, it's not.

lol ME harm the game? I want the game to get and retain more customers. You drive them away. You want the game to remain exclusive. The games playerbase has been declining, the manager is gone and 40% of the staff got laid off, and the threat of absorption from Sony looms. I'm convinced you are just a dedicated s**tposter at this point, because what you just said is devoid of any logic, any human rationale, and amounts to nothing more than just saying and doing the opposite of whatever is being said or done to get a rise out of people. You are so delusional you are probably going to die from it. You are that Dog from the meme sitting in the flaming building saying everything is fine.

[Pharaoh]

This post itself is becoming hostile and yet here the OP is attempting to rectify that very thing. Posts like these, should any newcomers come along, are surely to discourage any new players for sure!

Keep it going guys! Well played.