Who is this game even for at this point???

[@madgeark.pmd.social]

I'm sitting here after nearly 2,000 hours of Destiny 2 later and I still really can't figure out who this game is for. There is no actual consistent feeling of player progression or any true power fantasy that comes with getting stronger in the game when PvE gets readjusted to be "Easier for casuals" and PVP has been divided into 4 equally garbage player pools thanks to the poor balance and lack of anticheat.

Control
A player pool that is constantly rigged by SBMM, likes dropping players with performance momentum into losing matches just like Call of Duty in an attempt to have them babysit lost teams.

Competitive
Actually an alright playlist that I enjoy quite a bit! !ronically, I haven't found many cheaters this mode at all despite what Trials goes through. It's been a fun time through and through and my only complaint is that the playerbase is too split up for it to form a match after unranked matches. I'm not waiting through the 10 minute queues.

Rumble
Where all of the Ximtards and Stats Weirdos stay when Trials is down. Typically you'll run into 3 blueberries and two cheating scumbags taking turns farming each other and progressively ramping up the strength of whatever garbage scripts they're running until they're the only two who can actually play the game. Distinctly smells of belly roll sweat and unwashed armpits.

Trials of Osiris
A Dead gamemode that only really gets played by streamers, Cheaters doing recovery runs or carries, or people who just want to get a decent roll of a Trials weapon so they can avoid the mode for the rest of the season. It's not worth playing because cheaters find a way around the matchmaking changes to farm lower level players and gatekeep the lighthouse. The same impoverished lint-lickers who will bring up stats every time they start losing an argument or are rightfully accused of cheating.

There's really nothing to do in the game but PvP once you've already done everything else and have rolls you're happy with. And PvP is garbage because of the changes the devs keep making to shift the PvE sandbox. (Which is powercrept to ♥♥♥♥ and not getting better.)

So who is Destiny 2 for exactly? Destiny 1 wasn't balanced, but it never felt this lost and hopeless. I can't be the only one who has just given up and uninstalled because nothing is getting better.

[JohnTravoltage]

Problem I see with a constant progression/power fantasy is that when it comes to a game this old, it then makes it completely unapproachable for new people, especially when it comes to playing with friends.

If someone wants to raid with their mates, how can they possibly catch up on thousands of hours of content to be able to do a raid without being at a disadvantage?

And at the end of the day, whatever progression they have, once you do it its gone.

If someone isn't going to play the game for the sake of doing the content, then putting an infinite grind and alienating the rest of the players out is probably not going to do much. the content is still boring, people who don't like the grind will just quit.

Atm its basically like that, with all the light level increases just making it harder for many people to get back into it for certain content with light level requirements like raids.

However, your point about pve content feeling too easy is very important, and in general many of the subclasses are not very deep and don't have much agency. The content as it stands is not engaging enough to actually stand up on its own, which is the real problem. There are tons of singleplayer games that don't have any progression that have become timeless and are played repeatedly because the actual core gameplay is engaging enough to warrant it.

What we need is progression through player skill and having a format to express that through imo.

[trukr]

I see a lot about PvP there, makes me zone out. I try to stay away from PvP, in any game, not my thing. I do like playing PvE in Destiny 2. To at least some degree, the game is for me.

Edit: Thank you for the Steam points.

[N33MA]

There's no sbmm in control anymore

[Casualfield]

PvP in a PvE game lmfao

[Marcie]

complaining about the pvp modes in Destiny is like saying that Minecraft is a bad game for player vs player when its obviously not a game designed with that as the main focus and is more so implemented as and treated as an after thought. if you're looking for a good pvp experience then this is by far one of the worst games you could have chosen because not only is the pvp fraught with imbalance and neglect from the developers but it will always be like that because the inclusion of the mode was just so they had that mode included which is why it has been and will forever be the worst aspect of the game

[@madgeark.pmd.social]

Originally posted by Marceline Moon:

complaining about the pvp modes in Destiny is like saying that Minecraft is a bad game for player vs player when its obviously not a game designed with that as the main focus and is more so implemented as and treated as an after thought. if you're looking for a good pvp experience then this is by far one of the worst games you could have chosen because not only is the pvp fraught with imbalance and neglect from the developers but it will always be like that because the inclusion of the mode was just so they had that mode included which is why it has been and will forever be the worst aspect of the game

The problem with this post is that PvP in Destiny wasn't always like this. The worst states of the crucible almost all stem from the sequel because the devs completely neglect the fact that Crucible weapons function differently from weapons in Vanguard.

Weapons can be adjusted based on mode. Weapons can be adjusted case-by-case. You can have a gun that does one thing in the Crucible, and something else entirely in the Vanguard. This is how it's meant to be, and this is what was done back in Destiny to keep the mode fair. Destiny 2 makes no such attempt and it primarily comes from laziness.

A weapon will be added to the PvE sandbox, a lot of the time being a weapon to help out the casuals even more, and consequently be used excessively in PvP because Bungie never bothered actually readjusting how the weapon works between both modes. A prime example of this being The Immortal (ADEPT) when it first came out. Being a PvE SMG that became a PvP legend overnight because it's perk combinations rewarded it with extra damage in places it shouldn't have it. Target Lock has caused this kind of problem for just about every weapon it's been added to and we're seeing the same ring true for Auto Rifles.

People saying "Destiny PvP is an afterthought and was never good." are just having a quitter cope session because they couldn't figure it out. People who actually play PvP as they would any other part of the game know that the Crucible is bad right now because of mismanagement on Bungie's part and a pretty clear negligence of Cause and Effect when mindlessly chucking new things into the sandbox without thinking about it.

Things that can negatively impact BOTH sides of the player base by making the game way too easy, but definitely hurt people who enjoy the crucible because of how our favorite mode is already structured.

[Killface]

PvP with so many corny abilities and modifiers should never have been taken so seriously, but whatever, go hard if ya want. I mean some ppl like the PvP in ARPGs. The only way to balance would be to fully separate the sandboxes which they seem unwilling to do. Also D2 is done after this year anyway, play for fun and let it go. Hopefully Marathon or whatever is next takes the lessons learned in D2 and makes a good experience.

[Kylito]

ME. It's for me and me alone. All of Bungie curves to my whims.

[DCR]

If you were the at the time, got the guns, got the armor, bought the dlc's, bought dungeons, got the stuff, you will have an easier time in everything in the game. Artifice adds 4 tiers of stats, when compared to 68 drop legendary otherwise - where you'll most likely get a few pts off balance to get the last tier perfect. Even tho that's not impossible, i've had 1 set with a perfect rounded number on each, except for legs i think that was at a x2 stat. There was an old post " you had to be there" and that still pretty much sums up destiny 2.

Pvp sucks in destiny 2 because everything is out of balance, everyone has different abilities, may randomly just have pve loadout equipped, could actually just care about a bounty - not the mode (which is also true for all things, the purpose you play something for, could just be a bounty, not the activity). It's possible to make some balance changes, but it would have to make such hard match making terms, its just not going to happen, taking into account historically of d2's progression and developers complete lack of insight into their own mm modes.

Destiny 2 is a game where you waste time and having fun doing collections and just tidbits about it all. And thats great, it does that job well, but it'll never be a great game with strong MM modes without developers actually really trying to make a difference. D2 is great when you play it just for you.

[darkinpresser]

Don't forget about Raid Content being really bad and not displaying Objectives so the devs expects you to know what to do and then all the other players moan at you for messing up the objective that you did not even know was a thing..

just tried to do the Wish Raid for the Achievement i have no idea what to do and the YT videos don't explain it very well. just alt-f4 out the game, not having my time put to waste due to poor game design

[Big Neil]

In order to answer "what is the point?" You first have to answer: Why do you play games (or this game)? There are 4 common styles of play: challenging / high level achievement, social interaction, pvp / pve, and solving systems. If you are here for getting some max rating or high level acheivement Destiny doesn't offer any. If you are looking for social, its moderately there, but you have to find a clan and a discord. If you are looking for PVP / PVE its there but its definitely got more investment in PVE than PVP. If you like systems and breaking them down, Destiny has a decent amount going on but not as much as some MMORPGs. Expecting a game to have what you want without first asking "Will this give me what I want?" could lead to your exact reaction. It sounds like you want a greater challenge and higher / more difficult to achieve content, titles, etc. AND you are a fan of pvp. I'll say this:
a. There is no monthly sub b. The amount of money needed to constantly churn out challenging PVE content and have an equal or greater amount of PVP content is much more than you are paying right now and c. This is not the game you are looking for because of a and b.

Bungo has always been small in scope and delivery because they are literally charging $60 a year and $10 a season. Thats like $100 a year. World of Warcraft charges $15 a month and has about a million active users. $15 x 12 = $180 x 1 million = $180 mil a year Bungo? $100 a year for like maybe 250,000 players? $25 mil a year. Ok huge disparity in what you can expect and what level of content can be delivered in 90 to 120 days.

You cannot no life Destiny, there is just not enough content there to sustain playing 8 hours, or even 4 hours a day all year. Its a best a few weeks every 4 months and then you put it down.
Whats the point? You get some story, you do about 10 hours of that, then you do some hunting for rare items, do a raid, another 10 hours, do that for 4 weeks, so 80 hours and then chill, put it down go play some other game for 90 days, come back again. The point is you got what you paid for and thats all there really is because its cheap fun relatively to time.

[Digital]

I don't understand how anyone in their right mind can say Destiny PvP is a decent mode because it clearly isn't, there's no balance whatsoever, your performance is directly tied to the weapons you get from PvE, if you don't play enough PvE then you won't get the right weapons to stand a chance in PvP. It's completely unhinged.

[decizion]

Just don't play crucible and you will be fine. PVE is decent, PVP is unbalanced as hell and cannot be taken seriously from a competitive standpoint.

[`digitaL.braVo]

lmao pvp

[PinnacleInSync]

Originally posted by decizion:

Just don't play crucible and you will be fine. PVE is decent, PVP is unbalanced as hell and cannot be taken seriously from a competitive standpoint.

This.