SBMM

[Xenos]

I don't understand SBMM. I only play in control on PC with keyboard-mouse. I mainly play with pulse rifles (Vigilance Wing, No Time to Expain).
I play titan with 100 resilience, 100 recovery. 30 mobility. 2 targeting mods, 2 dexterity mods, 2 flinch mods.
Players aim very well, kill me very quickly. Sometimes I don't have time to react. When I win a duel, I'm usually nearly dead. I think I have a good/very good aim and good positionning. 2.17 K/D (it increases).
When I look at Daltnix's gameplays, the players don't seem to aim very well, he wins his duels without losing a lot of life (he has good aim too):
https://www.youtube.com/@ Daltnix

I play in Europe. I don't know if the level is particularly high. I know there aren't many people in PvP so maybe I'm matched against Americans? The game is P2P so maybe there is some lag compensation and so players always shoot me first (I lag behind them), which would explain why I die so quickly (there was this on Call of Duty without dedicated servers ).

Thanks.

[Urpsyne]

The lag is always noticeable unfortunately.

But there is basically zero SBMM in the game any more. High skill players whinged until it was removed.

[Xenos]

Control : SBMM. Rumble : no SBMM. Collision : no SBMM. Clash : no SBMM.
SBMM means : similar level
No SBMM means : favored mode: connection

[DCR]

If you're aiming you're playing the game wrong way, just spam in the general direction, don't even think about aiming. Quite a few network tweaks you can do since some of the code uses tcp which is horrible, and peer to peer as you indicated. Either get comfortable with powershell/registry or use some utility like tcp-ip optimizer, which is now outdated but gives you an oversight at least. Offsetting RSS and other stuff can now be done to specific cores, so you can optimize for latency that way, so each cpu core can now truly be set to unique tasks, but cba to post 3 pages of what you need to do.

[Xenos]

Originally posted by DCR:

If you're aiming you're playing the game wrong way, just spam in the general direction, don't even think about aiming. Quite a few network tweaks you can do since some of the code uses tcp which is horrible, and peer to peer as you indicated. Either get comfortable with powershell/registry or use some utility like tcp-ip optimizer, which is now outdated but gives you an oversight at least. Offsetting RSS and other stuff can now be done to specific cores, so you can optimize for latency that way, so each cpu core can now truly be set to unique tasks, but cba to post 3 pages of what you need to do.

What ???

[N33MA]

Originally posted by Xenos:

Control : SBMM. Rumble : no SBMM. Collision : no SBMM. Clash : no SBMM.
SBMM means : similar level
No SBMM means : favored mode: connection

There's no SBMM in control anymore. They just haven't updated the tag in the direction. If you want to learn more about the match making here's their recent dev article under "matchmaking details"

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/article/this-week-in-destiny-02-22-24

[Xenos]

If there is no SBMM, the PVP population is so low there are only high skill players.

[N33MA]

Originally posted by Xenos:

If there is no SBMM, the PVP population is so low there are only high skill players.

About 20% of the player base is split between regular crucible and trials of osiris according to warmind.io (https://warmind.io/activity).

Might just be a skill issue.

[Cryptix]

There is definitely not any SBMM in control, from my experience at least. Teams are SO unbalanced. Literally slaughtering the enemy team every game which is... eh. Kinda want some challenge every now and then but I refuse to play trials solo.

[Xenos]

No SBMM ? Really ? Look this : https://ibb.co/bRSBK8x
I'm with all the noobs.

[N33MA]

Originally posted by Xenos:

No SBMM ? Really ? Look this : https://ibb.co/bRSBK8x
I'm with all the noobs.

Anecdote

[Jagdtiger]

Originally posted by Xenos:

I think I have a good/very good aim and good positionning. 2.17 K/D (it increases).

Destiny has public player stats, making lying about your KD much harder. OP's KD is 1.22, and in quickplay only, not quite 2.17 material. Also, most players mean trials and comp KD when their mention theirs, not quickplay. Judging from the time played recently and that the recent weapons line up with the post, "this isn't my main" won't fly either

[Xenos]

Originally posted by Jagdtiger:

Originally posted by Xenos:

I think I have a good/very good aim and good positionning. 2.17 K/D (it increases).

Destiny has public player stats, making lying about your KD much harder. OP's KD is 1.22, and in quickplay only, not quite 2.17 material. Also, most players mean trials and comp KD when their mention theirs, not quickplay. Judging from the time played recently and that the recent weapons line up with the post, "this isn't my main" won't fly either

I don't lie. I only play quickplay control/iron banner.
My K/D in game : https://ibb.co/G9y8L2S

SBMM : https://ibb.co/pjJX4fV
https://ibb.co/Sc0Z2bf
https://ibb.co/G2MLBRp
My teammates hardly have a positive K/D.
My experience : all the noobs with me, average/good/very good players against me.
I sometimes have a few good players with me but that's not the majority of games.

[Cryptix]

Originally posted by Xenos:

Originally posted by Jagdtiger:

Destiny has public player stats, making lying about your KD much harder. OP's KD is 1.22, and in quickplay only, not quite 2.17 material. Also, most players mean trials and comp KD when their mention theirs, not quickplay. Judging from the time played recently and that the recent weapons line up with the post, "this isn't my main" won't fly either

I don't lie. I only play quickplay control/iron banner.
My K/D in game : https://ibb.co/G9y8L2S

SBMM : https://ibb.co/pjJX4fV
https://ibb.co/Sc0Z2bf
https://ibb.co/G2MLBRp
My teammates hardly have a positive K/D.
My experience : all the noobs with me, average/good/very good players against me.
I sometimes have a few good players with me but that's not the majority of games.

I think Jagdtiger is using stats from Destinytracker which usually have vastly different stats than in-game, so that's probably why they think you are lying.

Either way, there is no SBMM in control. Games are frequently unbalanced or at least with a clear victor. Here's a collection of score screens I was able to capture about a month ago:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3174826548
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3174826451
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3174826378
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3174826003
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3175680145
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3175680218
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3175680294
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3179364605
As you can see all the games are very one-sided with clear outliers in K:D being in almost every game. Some worse than others naturally.

This is why some people are pro-SBMM for control playlists. Others are against SBMM in control because they say it's a casual playlist and should not be sweaty like the competitive playlists. I tend to agree, but I can also see it being really unfair to less-skilled players.

It's a difficult issue. I think we need something in between. It's nice to have some easy games but would also like challenges too.

[N33MA]

Originally posted by Xenos:

Originally posted by Jagdtiger:

Destiny has public player stats, making lying about your KD much harder. OP's KD is 1.22, and in quickplay only, not quite 2.17 material. Also, most players mean trials and comp KD when their mention theirs, not quickplay. Judging from the time played recently and that the recent weapons line up with the post, "this isn't my main" won't fly either

I don't lie. I only play quickplay control/iron banner.
My K/D in game : https://ibb.co/G9y8L2S

SBMM : https://ibb.co/pjJX4fV
https://ibb.co/Sc0Z2bf
https://ibb.co/G2MLBRp
My teammates hardly have a positive K/D.
My experience : all the noobs with me, average/good/very good players against me.
I sometimes have a few good players with me but that's not the majority of games.

Your in-game stats are your KDA or Kill - Death - Assist Ratio. When factoring assists your ratio will be much higher, but you're actuall Kill - Death ratio will be lower as it won't be inflated by assists.

[germality]

sbmm is a lie and has never existed in any game ever