bungo needs to nerf void titans (pvp)

[Mogger]

Aspects are way more powerful compared to the other classes and add more extra abilities, for example more meelee lunge distrance+damage, increased granade regen etc while having overshield (which they have 24/7), also the pure domination in pvp with bubble is laughable.
All the subclass synergies like the scatter grendades that also apply volatile to keep you out of the fight for a short duration if they dont 1-hit you are just very unbalanced in comparison to the toolkit of the other classes.
didnt bungie think about pvp when designing the void 2.0/3.0 kit for titans?

[Raccoon]

Bubble is kinda like scout rifles; If you buff, too OP, if you nerf, basically useless for the effort you put in.

[Jagdtiger]

Well and bubble will have been overpowered win conditions forever, and it's unlikely to change any time soon

[Mogger]

Originally posted by Jagdtiger:

Well and bubble will have been overpowered win conditions forever, and it's unlikely to change any time soon

i get your point, but the well is also easier to counter/destroy

[Mogger]

Originally posted by Raccoon:

Bubble is kinda like scout rifles; If you buff, too OP, if you nerf, basically useless for the effort you put in.

my main point were the aspects, abilities etc which make titans unbalanced in pvp

[Jagdtiger]

Originally posted by Mogger:

Originally posted by Jagdtiger:

Well and bubble will have been overpowered win conditions forever, and it's unlikely to change any time soon

i get your point, but the well is also easier to counter/destroy

Well is substantially better than bubble and always has been. The gap has only widened since they introduced a special weapon hard counter to bubble (conditional). If they reduced the DR from well or made vorpal work on people in the well so they can easily be sniped, then they would probably be similar potency, but still OP

[Verios44]

Originally posted by Jagdtiger:

Originally posted by Mogger:

i get your point, but the well is also easier to counter/destroy

Well is substantially better than bubble and always has been. The gap has only widened since they introduced a special weapon hard counter to bubble (conditional). If they reduced the DR from well or made vorpal work on people in the well so they can easily be sniped, then they would probably be similar potency, but still OP

Issue is Bungie is incapable of just nerfing pvp and not pve. Any nerf to well would lead to immediate revolts. Bungie made their own double edged sword and now have to live with the consequence.

[verbtime]

Originally posted by Verios44:

Originally posted by Jagdtiger:

Well is substantially better than bubble and always has been. The gap has only widened since they introduced a special weapon hard counter to bubble (conditional). If they reduced the DR from well or made vorpal work on people in the well so they can easily be sniped, then they would probably be similar potency, but still OP

Issue is Bungie is incapable of just nerfing pvp and not pve. Any nerf to well would lead to immediate revolts. Bungie made their own double edged sword and now have to live with the consequence.

I have never understood why they cannot just separate pvp and pve balancing entirely so that we can have balance changes for one without ruining the other

[Verios44]

Originally posted by burn.brick.7002:

Originally posted by Verios44:

Issue is Bungie is incapable of just nerfing pvp and not pve. Any nerf to well would lead to immediate revolts. Bungie made their own double edged sword and now have to live with the consequence.

I have never understood why they cannot just separate pvp and pve balancing entirely so that we can have balance changes for one without ruining the other

Techniclly it is seperate, but in practice it does not feel so most of the time.

[lancer1009]

Op your full of it, the damage for void is less the solar, arc, strand, and stasis. The damage is less because void is the tank spec for titan. As for the bubble, check your facts next time, that particular ability is on one hell of a long cool down. That is why I never use it. Yes ive seen other titans use the bubble and then rub it in other players faces. To be frank they are a holes. No amount of changes to void will be good, and the a holes will just find something else to rub in peoples faces.

[Mogger]

Originally posted by lancer1009:

Op your full of it, the damage for void is less the solar, arc, strand, and stasis. The damage is less because void is the tank spec for titan. As for the bubble, check your facts next time, that particular ability is on one hell of a long cool down. That is why I never use it. Yes ive seen other titans use the bubble and then rub it in other players faces. To be frank they are a holes. No amount of changes to void will be good, and the a holes will just find something else to rub in peoples faces.

i dont really get your point of void titans having less damage potential than other subclasses.
correct me if im wrong, but there is an aspect which gives you more meelee damage and range for having an overshield, and an aspect which buffs the scatter grenades to make targets volatile, boosting its damage potential.
not to mention the barricades which instantly make targets one-shot, also bubble and well are both tier 4 supers as far as i know, so the cooldown should be similar

[Mogger]

Originally posted by Verios44:

Originally posted by burn.brick.7002:

I have never understood why they cannot just separate pvp and pve balancing entirely so that we can have balance changes for one without ruining the other

Techniclly it is seperate, but in practice it does not feel so most of the time.

youre absolutely right

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