Disappointed, but not surprised....

[Pyramid Head's Meat Socket]

One thing I can commend Bungie for is successfully grooming a large section of their community into not only accepting their DLC and microtransaction pricing as normal but creating an environment in which a lot of what they do is defended by elitist / paying players in terms of delivering sub-par content while charging a rather significant amount of money for it.

What I mean by this is whenever someone either myself, or anyone who has gotten into the game for the first time has any critique towards the pricing of the games content they are either shamed for being poor or people get all weird and start flexing how much they either spend on video games and other commodities WEEKLY as if them not being smart about how they spend their money is a good thing. Like in no other game have I seen people defend a company this much in terms of microtransactions and it's really impressive actually.

I stopped playing around Beyond Light when it was released after plenty was sunset (though steam has a different date) and I had hoped for the game to get better. The Witch Queen DLC reception gave me a bit of hope that the final state of the game might turn out well and maybe I'd try it again once the game was considered finished but nope, looking at everything that's happened now it sucks that Destiny has devolved into what it is at the moment.

Still though, thank you to the team at Bungie who had genuine passion for the game, especially those laid off, definitely feels like Destiny 2's potential was squandered in the end.

[Brohan Creates]

Yep its sad. I don't know how these people can't see none of the money that was given to them from sales is not going back into the game. It is all going into their new IP and if Bungie thinks they will make a lot of money on it, they won't. Some will be still sheep and buy it cause they are diehard bungie fanbois, but the ones that are awake, won't and just move on to better developers. Bungie is going to have their own version of DICE scenario when they gave people 4 bad Battlefield games in a row and now BF6 is indefinitely postponed until they earn the trust back with the player base with 2042.

[Kylito]

"they are either shamed for being poor or people get all weird and start flexing how much they either spend on video games and other commodities WEEKLY as if them not being smart about how they spend their money is a good thing."

99% chance those are trolls. If someone is saying that unironically they surely got violently bullied after.

"feels like Destiny 2's potential was squandered in the end." The end? What end? It's insane how melodramatic people will get over what can be solved in a few month's time. IT'S A VIDEO GAME. It's taken FAR longer for some other games to pick themselves off the ground and get going again. You have to wait til' June for the new DLC? WHO CARES? Play any other game then come back. Tunnel visioning in on this one pothole and going "IT'S SO JOEVER" when there have been eras of the game that were waaaay worse (CoO, BL launch) is more overdramatic than a pubescent theater kid.

[Pyramid Head's Meat Socket]

Originally posted by Kylito:

"they are either shamed for being poor or people get all weird and start flexing how much they either spend on video games and other commodities WEEKLY as if them not being smart about how they spend their money is a good thing."

99% chance those are trolls. If someone is saying that unironically they surely got violently bullied after.

"feels like Destiny 2's potential was squandered in the end." The end? What end? It's insane how melodramatic people will get over what can be solved in a few month's time. IT'S A VIDEO GAME. It's taken FAR longer for some other games to pick themselves off the ground and get going again. You have to wait til' June for the new DLC? WHO CARES? Play any other game then come back. Tunnel visioning in on this one pothole and going "IT'S SO JOEVER" when there have been eras of the game that were waaaay worse (CoO, BL launch) is more overdramatic than a pubescent theater kid.

Firstly, yes people unironically boast about how much much money they spend and yes these are grown adults not trolling at all.

Secondly, yes in the end, it's been YEARS and waiting even longer to still see the game turn out better than the state it was in since forsaken doesn't seem like something that'll happen anytime soon. Infact you might be reading to much into the post if it has you this heated that I'm only expressing my disappointment in a public forum since you can just ignore and you seemed to have glossed over the fact that I haven't played the game for years? Telling me to play another game when I've been doing that for years waiting for D2 to get better.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Pyramid Head's Meat Socket:

Originally posted by Kylito:

"they are either shamed for being poor or people get all weird and start flexing how much they either spend on video games and other commodities WEEKLY as if them not being smart about how they spend their money is a good thing."

99% chance those are trolls. If someone is saying that unironically they surely got violently bullied after.

"feels like Destiny 2's potential was squandered in the end." The end? What end? It's insane how melodramatic people will get over what can be solved in a few month's time. IT'S A VIDEO GAME. It's taken FAR longer for some other games to pick themselves off the ground and get going again. You have to wait til' June for the new DLC? WHO CARES? Play any other game then come back. Tunnel visioning in on this one pothole and going "IT'S SO JOEVER" when there have been eras of the game that were waaaay worse (CoO, BL launch) is more overdramatic than a pubescent theater kid.

Firstly, yes people unironically boast about how much much money they spend and yes these are grown adults not trolling at all.

Secondly, yes in the end, it's been YEARS and waiting even longer to still see the game turn out better than the state it was in since forsaken doesn't seem like something that'll happen anytime soon. Infact you might be reading to much into the post if it has you this heated that I'm only expressing my disappointment in a public forum since you can just ignore and you seemed to have glossed over the fact that I haven't played the game for years? Telling me to play another game when I've been doing that for years waiting for D2 to get better.

So, you haven't played the game for years, but also, "it's been YEARS and waiting even longer to still see the game turn out better than the state it was in since forsaken". Maybe the game hasn't gotten better since Forsaken because you haven't played since then? This DLC was meh, but the last one (WQ) was at minimum the best since Forsaken, and debatably better. In WQ, campaign was better, raid was better, Subclass updates were better. We got 2 raids and 2 dungeons that year, and given the quality of the dungeons, that well surpassed the 3 raids from Y2. Bungie HAS outclassed Forsaken, and they could surely again, given delays and proper focus.

I have yet to see people actually boast about being a whale in a game without being bullied by 10x as many people. If someone in these forums said that they have bought every event pass and spend $100+ a season on Silver, they would become an utter laughingstock.

[Khanwolf]

Bungie was bought by Sony for 3.6 BILLION a year ago.

The Paul Tassi Article says, there were 1.2 BILLION in employee retention. If you would give every single developer at Bungie a share of these 1.2 Billions, they would ALL be Millionaires.

Instead we see Layoffs, abysmal Quality, higher Prices for reskinned Seasons and delayed DLCs and Games!

I wanna give a +1 for remembering the People, who fell victim to the Layoffs! A +1 for Artists, who worked for the wrong Company! A +1 for Employees, who never deserved such unfathomable Greed!

[trukr]

Originally posted by Pyramid Head's Meat Socket:

One thing I can commend Bungie for is successfully grooming a large section of their community into not only accepting their DLC and microtransaction pricing as normal but creating an environment in which a lot of what they do is defended by elitist / paying players in terms of delivering sub-par content while charging a rather significant amount of money for it.

Really? Groomed? For those of use who play this game most every day, around $8.00/month doesn't feel like too much, people spend almost that much on a fancy coffee. What you see in the Eververse is not required to play this game, you can either ignore that or if you want spend some money. It's not like you have to buy that stuff to play.

Originally posted by Pyramid Head's Meat Socket:

What I mean by this is whenever someone either myself, or anyone who has gotten into the game for the first time has any critique towards the pricing of the games content they are either shamed for being poor or people get all weird and start flexing how much they either spend on video games and other commodities WEEKLY as if them not being smart about how they spend their money is a good thing. Like in no other game have I seen people defend a company this much in terms of microtransactions and it's really impressive actually.

I am on this forum maybe too much and I just don't see what you claim here often. Sure, there are those who flex and shame, just like there are those who are hateful to the developer and those who like the game. There are always outliers. What others spend their discretionary money on is none of your business. You have no idea if their spending is wise or not, you don't know their financial situation.

Originally posted by Pyramid Head's Meat Socket:

I stopped playing around Beyond Light when it was released after plenty was sunset (though steam has a different date) and I had hoped for the game to get better. The Witch Queen DLC reception gave me a bit of hope that the final state of the game might turn out well and maybe I'd try it again once the game was considered finished but nope, looking at everything that's happened now it sucks that Destiny has devolved into what it is at the moment.

The date in the Steam store is for a fact, the day Beyond Light launched, your date may be in error. Witch Queen, in my opinion was in fact very good. Overall Lightfall is good, the things I don't like happen to be things that get in the way of me really enjoying it though.

Destiny 2 is not finished, it's not that kind of game. The closest it will get to a finished game is The Final Shape, even then there will be episodes. It's a live service game, it is finished when the servers are shut down for the final time.

Originally posted by Pyramid Head's Meat Socket:

Still though, thank you to the team at Bungie who had genuine passion for the game, especially those laid off, definitely feels like Destiny 2's potential was squandered in the end.

You have no idea what the circumstances were behind each layoff. It could be those were the people holding things back, doing sub-par work. I suspect you just latch onto anything you can say negative about Bungie, by all means go for it. I don't like Bungie, I'm cursed to really like the game they put out. I'm not "groomed", I play the game a lot and see value in it. If you don't, that's fine too, free markets are awesome, buy what you want, skip what you don't.

[Khanwolf]

Originally posted by trukr:

You have no idea what the circumstances were behind each layoff.

We all know it, because Bungie themselves said, this Game has a 10 Year Plan on Release:

Salvatori for example is not needed anymore, because as he said, he finished the Final Shape Music Tracks before he was fired. If you would lead a company, would you keep the Musicians, although no further content DLCs are planned? Music for Seasons can easily be outsourced.

Final Shape will cover Year 7 and 8... The last 2 Years will have no DLC, as we can see now in the Layoffs and internal Gambit and PvP Teams shifted to develop Marathon. There will be Lore "Episodes" to keep People investing into Silver and Eververse, but nothing else. (Blizz does the same right now with their IPs. Look at this weeks Blizzcon for example, very interesting new Marketing Perspectives.)

The Positions the Layoffs covered can easily be outsourced on top of that. This is a Win in the Industry in general at the Moment and we can see more an more Console and PC Titles with outsourced Development. (It is cheaper.)... but of course you dont execute a MAJOR DLC with outsourced Employees, such People are able to cover Seasons and Episodes though with recycled Material...

What we see here is simply the ten Year Plan. Nothing else. Marathon has the full Attention now, after Final Shape gets the Seasonal Content and after they made a Plan on what to recycle for the upcoming Episodes.

[orch82]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Pyramid Head's Meat Socket:

Firstly, yes people unironically boast about how much much money they spend and yes these are grown adults not trolling at all.

Secondly, yes in the end, it's been YEARS and waiting even longer to still see the game turn out better than the state it was in since forsaken doesn't seem like something that'll happen anytime soon. Infact you might be reading to much into the post if it has you this heated that I'm only expressing my disappointment in a public forum since you can just ignore and you seemed to have glossed over the fact that I haven't played the game for years? Telling me to play another game when I've been doing that for years waiting for D2 to get better.

So, you haven't played the game for years, but also, "it's been YEARS and waiting even longer to still see the game turn out better than the state it was in since forsaken". Maybe the game hasn't gotten better since Forsaken because you haven't played since then? This DLC was meh, but the last one (WQ) was at minimum the best since Forsaken, and debatably better. In WQ, campaign was better, raid was better, Subclass updates were better. We got 2 raids and 2 dungeons that year, and given the quality of the dungeons, that well surpassed the 3 raids from Y2. Bungie HAS outclassed Forsaken, and they could surely again, given delays and proper focus.

I have yet to see people actually boast about being a whale in a game without being bullied by 10x as many people. If someone in these forums said that they have bought every event pass and spend $100+ a season on Silver, they would become an utter laughingstock.

Are you not in the forums regardless of a persons play time defending bungie? You throw shade at people and say how good the game is doing. Destiny 2 is doing so well it missed its revenue by 40%. If the studio was not bought out Destiny would be currently dropped. Hearing the devs are listening is a joke as well.
If the community gives 100 ideas and not 1 gets used they are not listening. At least one idea they would have proposed to upper management would have been used. Not even 1 percent of the community ideas have been used. Stop defending people when their hand is in your wallet. Just because they tell you what you want to hear does not mean they even are making an attempt.

[Nomeat710]

The people defending bungie are having major coping issues. they pushed a DLC back to June and everyone knows that june is the last month of the financial year. If revenue doesnt come back up......Final Shape will get cut or will release unfinished and bungie will dissolve after their final cash grab

[trukr]

Originally posted by Nomeat710:

The people defending bungie are having major coping issues. they pushed a DLC back to June and everyone knows that june is the last month of the financial year. If revenue doesnt come back up......Final Shape will get cut or will release unfinished and bungie will dissolve after their final cash grab

I think it's you that has the issues. Someone not agreeing with everything you say does not mean they are defending Bungie. Do try to make all of your points by putting others down?

Oh, I would like to have $1.00 for every time someone has said Destiny 2 is going to die. Through the years there have been many like you, so far they have been mistaken.

Edit: Thanks for the Steam point! :)

[Killface]

All the hand wringing over layoffs/dates is funny. Its a just bunch of kids who have barely had a job, and just don't understand how things work. Wait till you get a decent check and look at the taxes. Layoffs happen. Delays happen. ALL THE TIME. Just because you knew about this time, there is a bunch of morality posturing from Middle School Economists. Heh. You might need another self esteem crutch I guess? D2 is fine and will continue to be. As it has been. For years.

[Khanwolf]

Now the Layoffs are something innovative? You are maybe right, Salvatori deserved it!
He just did the Halo and Destiny Music so far. Thats nothing and should be fired as soon as there are cheaper ways to do that.

Dunno why people are so respectless, we are literally talking about the Guys, who gave you this Game! Guys you want on Board for the next DLCs or even Games!

it is super respectless to treat productive Employees like that. We may be Kids, but at least we already know the value of a Person, Adult!

[Kylito]

Originally posted by jcorch82:

Originally posted by Kylito:

So, you haven't played the game for years, but also, "it's been YEARS and waiting even longer to still see the game turn out better than the state it was in since forsaken". Maybe the game hasn't gotten better since Forsaken because you haven't played since then? This DLC was meh, but the last one (WQ) was at minimum the best since Forsaken, and debatably better. In WQ, campaign was better, raid was better, Subclass updates were better. We got 2 raids and 2 dungeons that year, and given the quality of the dungeons, that well surpassed the 3 raids from Y2. Bungie HAS outclassed Forsaken, and they could surely again, given delays and proper focus.

I have yet to see people actually boast about being a whale in a game without being bullied by 10x as many people. If someone in these forums said that they have bought every event pass and spend $100+ a season on Silver, they would become an utter laughingstock.

Are you not in the forums regardless of a persons play time defending bungie? You throw shade at people and say how good the game is doing. Destiny 2 is doing so well it missed its revenue by 40%. If the studio was not bought out Destiny would be currently dropped. Hearing the devs are listening is a joke as well.
If the community gives 100 ideas and not 1 gets used they are not listening. At least one idea they would have proposed to upper management would have been used. Not even 1 percent of the community ideas have been used. Stop defending people when their hand is in your wallet. Just because they tell you what you want to hear does not mean they even are making an attempt.

I also think it's worth mentioning that often "Community ideas" are either unrealistic or just outright bad. Like "Just unvault everything" or "make new Gambit maps", there is often a good reason for why they don't add something, and we will/have seen many good additions even just this year (difficulty reworks, guardian ranks, in-game LFG, loadouts, seasonal structure change, vault from orbit).

From a functional gameplay perspective, D2 is in a very good state. I don't care as much about their revenue projections or playercounts, THE GAME IS FUN. Doesn't mean it can't be improved, but I just can't get onboard the "dead game" train.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Nomeat710:

The people defending bungie are having major coping issues. they pushed a DLC back to June and everyone knows that june is the last month of the financial year. If revenue doesnt come back up......Final Shape will get cut or will release unfinished and bungie will dissolve after their final cash grab

Actually, a delay is for the exact opposite reason of releasing an unfinished DLC. Bungie will not dissolve or cut Final Shape, that is just insane and makes no sense.

[Dyak333]

Originally posted by Pyramid Head's Meat Socket:

One thing I can commend Bungie for is successfully grooming a large section of their community into not only accepting their DLC and microtransaction pricing as normal but creating an environment in which a lot of what they do is defended by elitist / paying players in terms of delivering sub-par content while charging a rather significant amount of money for it.

What I mean by this is whenever someone either myself, or anyone who has gotten into the game for the first time has any critique towards the pricing of the games content they are either shamed for being poor or people get all weird and start flexing how much they either spend on video games and other commodities WEEKLY as if them not being smart about how they spend their money is a good thing. Like in no other game have I seen people defend a company this much in terms of microtransactions and it's really impressive actually.

I stopped playing around Beyond Light when it was released after plenty was sunset (though steam has a different date) and I had hoped for the game to get better. The Witch Queen DLC reception gave me a bit of hope that the final state of the game might turn out well and maybe I'd try it again once the game was considered finished but nope, looking at everything that's happened now it sucks that Destiny has devolved into what it is at the moment.

Still though, thank you to the team at Bungie who had genuine passion for the game, especially those laid off, definitely feels like Destiny 2's potential was squandered in the end.

Meat Head hasn't played in years but feels compelled to come back to the game to comment???