pvp is just overpowered hand cannons

[Platypus20]

and what makes it worse is anyone who's doing bounties is forced to use weapons they don't wanna use vs someone who isn't doing bounties who's running around with easy weapons.

i hate bounties.

how is it good game design to have a bounty which forces you to do stuff like "get 25 kills with melee"? it makes you unnaturally walk around meleeing enemies. how is that fun? it's just annoying and ruins the natural flow of gameplay.

like, imagine how trash call of duty would be if the game was like "you can't level up unless you get 100 shotgun kills", forcing you to use shotguns when you don't naturally want to play with them?

player:
"hmm, i feel like playing with these types of weapons today"
the game:
"sorry, play with the weapons you don't feel like you wanna play with"

that is how depressing bounties are.

pvp in this game is just getting smashed by people who aren't bothering with bounties.

[AloofHermit37]

handcannon meta >

[GS_GerBeGurGya]

I had 2 shot killed by AR's one shot killed by legendary bows so its not the gun they use. Most use HC to hide what they do. Hitting all 10 bullets on crit using an unmodified AR while they are jumping while I do jump and from the hip would be too obvious.

[NIkto Barada]

werent we supposed to be able to do those in any activity now? where is that now?

[Eriana]

Originally posted by Platypus20:

i think players should just be allowed to grind up reputation ranks without even having to do bounties. you gain xp for vanguard by doing strikes; you gain xp for crucible by doing crucible, etc.

You are allowed though? You literally gain XP from from either doing the bounties the Vendor gives you, or by doing something related to that vendor.

[Platypus20]

Originally posted by Eriana:

Originally posted by Platypus20:

i think players should just be allowed to grind up reputation ranks without even having to do bounties. you gain xp for vanguard by doing strikes; you gain xp for crucible by doing crucible, etc.

You are allowed though? You literally gain XP from from either doing the bounties the Vendor gives you, or by doing something related to that vendor.

yeah but because bounties exist it means you're getting a much lower rate of xp to the progress bar.

[蔡徐坤(已戒色版)]

Originally posted by Platypus20:

and what makes it worse is anyone who's doing bounties is forced to use weapons they don't wanna use vs someone who isn't doing bounties who's running around with their best gear

i hate bounties.

how is it good game design to have a bounty which forces you to do stuff like "get 25 kills with melee"? it makes you unnaturally walk around meleeing enemies. how is that fun? it's just annoying and ruins the natural flow of gameplay.

like, imagine how trash call of duty would be if the game was like "you can't level up unless you get 100 shotgun kills", forcing you to use shotguns when you don't naturally want to play with them?

player:
"hmm, i feel like playing with these types of weapons today"
the game:
"sorry, play with the weapons you don't feel like you wanna play with"

that is how depressing bounties are.

pvp in this game is just getting smashed by people who aren't bothering with bounties.

actually is Bow and auto rifle meta, bow can 1 shot u to death -.-

[Platypus20]

Originally posted by 邱:

actually is Bow and auto rifle meta, bow can 1 shot u to death -.-

bro, it's just all unbalanced. and auto rifles are shockingly outmatched by bows and handguns.

[Urpsyne]

People saying xyz meta the second anything competes with HC/SG.

[Stew360]

Originally posted by Platypus20:

and what makes it worse is anyone who's doing bounties is forced to use weapons they don't wanna use vs someone who isn't doing bounties who's running around with their best gear

i hate bounties.

how is it good game design to have a bounty which forces you to do stuff like "get 25 kills with melee"? it makes you unnaturally walk around meleeing enemies. how is that fun? it's just annoying and ruins the natural flow of gameplay.

like, imagine how trash call of duty would be if the game was like "you can't level up unless you get 100 shotgun kills", forcing you to use shotguns when you don't naturally want to play with them?

player:
"hmm, i feel like playing with these types of weapons today"
the game:
"sorry, play with the weapons you don't feel like you wanna play with"

that is how depressing bounties are.

pvp in this game is just getting smashed by people who aren't bothering with bounties.

Hand cannon have been the cancer of this game since D1 .. And bungie are to stuborn to realise that EVERYONES HATES 3 vs 3 PVP beside a few vocal minority who actually abuse insanely easy to use Hand cannons and they NEVER EVER nerf these atrocity who can go trough any so call META changes unlike SMG , AR , BR and so on ..

Hand cannon are to easy to use .. No need to be accurate because of target aquisition AKA bullet magnetism , and insanely big hitbox the critical hit is actually manytime 400+% of the guardien head size .. i had guts shot even almost ballssack shot that registered as headshot while randomly spamming HC on targets .. you can aim over the head and still get a HS crits damage ..

The 3 hit and 2 hit kill of hand cannon is a total joke and is WAY to strong considering NOT THE SO CALL optimal TTK of other weapons but more their ( realistic ) TTK considering movement , tracking , range etc..

Bungie have always been terrible at balancing weapons properly in the crucible and now they Listen once again to the WORST ever whiners and liars there is who want only Hand cannon , Shotguns and Snipers to dominate the crucible forever and ever .. Everytimes any weapons come close to even barely compete THEY GET BUNGIE to NERF the said weapon and bring back the HC dominating never ending META

[Eriana]

Originally posted by Stew360:

Originally posted by Platypus20:

and what makes it worse is anyone who's doing bounties is forced to use weapons they don't wanna use vs someone who isn't doing bounties who's running around with their best gear

i hate bounties.

how is it good game design to have a bounty which forces you to do stuff like "get 25 kills with melee"? it makes you unnaturally walk around meleeing enemies. how is that fun? it's just annoying and ruins the natural flow of gameplay.

like, imagine how trash call of duty would be if the game was like "you can't level up unless you get 100 shotgun kills", forcing you to use shotguns when you don't naturally want to play with them?

player:
"hmm, i feel like playing with these types of weapons today"
the game:
"sorry, play with the weapons you don't feel like you wanna play with"

that is how depressing bounties are.

pvp in this game is just getting smashed by people who aren't bothering with bounties.

Hand cannon have been the cancer of this game since D1 .. And bungie are to stuborn to realise that EVERYONES HATES 3 vs 3 PVP beside a few vocal minority who actually abuse insanely easy to use Hand cannons and they NEVER EVER nerf these atrocity who can go trough any so call META changes unlike SMG , AR , BR and so on ..

Hand cannon are to easy to use .. No need to be accurate because of target aquisition AKA bullet magnetism , and insanely big hitbox the critical hit is actually manytime 400+% of the guardien head size .. i had guts shot even almost ballssack shot that registered as headshot while randomly spamming HC on targets .. you can aim over the head and still get a HS crits damage ..

The 3 hit and 2 hit kill of hand cannon is a total joke and is WAY to strong considering NOT THE SO CALL optimal TTK of other weapons but more their ( realistic ) TTK considering movement , tracking , range etc..

Bungie have always been terrible at balancing weapons properly in the crucible and now they Listen once again to the WORST ever whiners and liars there is who want only Hand cannon , Shotguns and Snipers to dominate the crucible forever and ever .. Everytimes any weapons come close to even barely compete THEY GET BUNGIE to NERF the said weapon and bring back the HC dominating never ending META

shut up and get off your soapbox

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Stew360:

Originally posted by Platypus20:

and what makes it worse is anyone who's doing bounties is forced to use weapons they don't wanna use vs someone who isn't doing bounties who's running around with their best gear

i hate bounties.

how is it good game design to have a bounty which forces you to do stuff like "get 25 kills with melee"? it makes you unnaturally walk around meleeing enemies. how is that fun? it's just annoying and ruins the natural flow of gameplay.

like, imagine how trash call of duty would be if the game was like "you can't level up unless you get 100 shotgun kills", forcing you to use shotguns when you don't naturally want to play with them?

player:
"hmm, i feel like playing with these types of weapons today"
the game:
"sorry, play with the weapons you don't feel like you wanna play with"

that is how depressing bounties are.

pvp in this game is just getting smashed by people who aren't bothering with bounties.

Hand cannon have been the cancer of this game since D1 .. And bungie are to stuborn to realise that EVERYONES HATES 3 vs 3 PVP beside a few vocal minority who actually abuse insanely easy to use Hand cannons and they NEVER EVER nerf these atrocity who can go trough any so call META changes unlike SMG , AR , BR and so on ..

Hand cannon are to easy to use .. No need to be accurate because of target aquisition AKA bullet magnetism , and insanely big hitbox the critical hit is actually manytime 400+% of the guardien head size .. i had guts shot even almost ballssack shot that registered as headshot while randomly spamming HC on targets .. you can aim over the head and still get a HS crits damage ..

The 3 hit and 2 hit kill of hand cannon is a total joke and is WAY to strong considering NOT THE SO CALL optimal TTK of other weapons but more their ( realistic ) TTK considering movement , tracking , range etc..

Bungie have always been terrible at balancing weapons properly in the crucible and now they Listen once again to the WORST ever whiners and liars there is who want only Hand cannon , Shotguns and Snipers to dominate the crucible forever and ever .. Everytimes any weapons come close to even barely compete THEY GET BUNGIE to NERF the said weapon and bring back the HC dominating never ending META

2 hit kills are unbalanced. Which is why they require a damage buff such as Kill Clip.

Hand cannons are NOT dominating. If you have half a brain and play aggressively with an SMG, you can win every fight against a hand cannon. People just play right into the hands of someone using them and then complain that they are "OP". You want to use anything that isn't a HC? Don't try and use it like one. If you rush a HC user with an SMG, you will win the fight 9/10 at close range. If you stay mid-range and allow them to use cover, they will win the fight 9/10.

And about the AA and hitboxes, that is present for every primary weapon type. It's a PvE first game, so the engine isn't geared towards PvP.

[[SoeZ]]

Originally posted by Platypus20:

and what makes it worse is anyone who's doing bounties is forced to use weapons they don't wanna use vs someone who isn't doing bounties who's running around with their best gear

i hate bounties.

how is it good game design to have a bounty which forces you to do stuff like "get 25 kills with melee"? it makes you unnaturally walk around meleeing enemies. how is that fun? it's just annoying and ruins the natural flow of gameplay.

like, imagine how trash call of duty would be if the game was like "you can't level up unless you get 100 shotgun kills", forcing you to use shotguns when you don't naturally want to play with them?

player:
"hmm, i feel like playing with these types of weapons today"
the game:
"sorry, play with the weapons you don't feel like you wanna play with"

that is how depressing bounties are.

pvp in this game is just getting smashed by people who aren't bothering with bounties.

Lmao imagine doing bounties

[Platypus20]

Originally posted by SoeZ:

Lmao imagine doing bounties

i'll steal your egg

[Bnn1]

Dont bother with pvp bounties then.

And crucible taught me to love handcannons. When I started playing I could not love handcannons. Slow, clunky and weird to hit with.

But in both PVP and PVE they just are so much fun, once you learn which ones to grab, and which ones to use and how to use them.

Of course, if I had absolutely bad rolls, then I would fully dislike hand cannons as well. But if you have decent handcannons, and there are a lot of exotics that are good, then you can just learn to love them too.

[Platypus20]

Originally posted by Ben1:

Dont bother with pvp bounties then.

And crucible taught me to love handcannons. When I started playing I could not love handcannons. Slow, clunky and weird to hit with.

But in both PVP and PVE they just are so much fun, once you learn which ones to grab, and which ones to use and how to use them.

Of course, if I had absolutely bad rolls, then I would fully dislike hand cannons as well. But if you have decent handcannons, and there are a lot of exotics that are good, then you can just learn to love them too.

It feels, and evidently is, like hand cannons are faster at killing than smg's and assault rifles at any range.

The reason this happens is simply because smg's and assault rifles are weak in pvp. smg should be extremely powerful short-range but they aren't. their recoil is abysmal, they're ineffective mid-range (they're meant to be), and they aren't even powerful enough at short-range.

assault rifles should have an increased damage than smg's but much slower fire rate while having strong recoil and effective up to mid-range.

In destiny, you've got people running around with hand cannons dominating both short and mid-range, and all it takes for them is like 2 - 3 shots. They're faster to kill with than smg's and assault rifles despite how much the ENVIRONMENT gives them an advantage.

Because think of how easy it is for hand cannon users... They hide behind environment, slightly come out, shoot, hide, slightly come out, shoot, hide, repeat. An smg or assault rifle just can't fight that in this game. Smg's and assault rifles need the opponent to stay visible because they require much more bullets to get a kill. Hand cannons are capable of 2-tapping and 3-tapping people while also having an extreme advantage when it comes to environment.