Locking off weekly content is inexcusable and gamers everywhere should be in an uproar.

[FireFauxes]

Destiny 2 is genuinely fun. I came back to destiny 2 after years of not playing it and its honestly crazy how much the game has improved just on the basis of content and player choice when it comes to sub class builds. In terms of just pure shooting pve its one of the greats. I just wanted to sing the games praises before i do the unthinkable and give this game who has one of the most dedicated fanbases a serious criticism. And just to sing praises again I would like to say that the dedication you fans have for this game is insane and i genuinely implore you too continue loving your game with all your heart. However one thing that needs to happen (especially with games you love) is you need to be heavily critical of problems so that the game can improve and become an even better experience then it already is. With all this being said let me get to the most troubling thing that i have discovered in this game.

(The Weekly Nightfall issue)

First things first I would like to say that I completely understand that this is a free to play/pay to enjoy game. Its been this way for a very very long time. (just for clarity i have all expansions except for Lightfall) So I understand first hand that if you want the FULL experience you need to buy expansions. (I have not bought Lightfall because it is way too expensive but that's a separate issue).
I came back to the game and started playing it again right before Lightfall came out and was, and still am having a blast with the game again, but then something hit me like a truck.
I recently started getting into nightfall missions and was absolutely annoyed at the fact that you cant just choose the mission that you wanted to do and that they were on forced rotation but again this is not even the issue i wanted to discuss with everyone.
The thing that is absolutely indefensible is the fact that now that the new expansion is out, the nightfall mission that is on rotation can become a mission from Lightfall of which i don't have. This might not sound like an issue at first but really consider the implications here.
I have EVERY expansion for this game already except for the new one and due to this, an entire aspect of the game for grinding loot can be randomly locked off from me for a week because I haven't forked over $50. And I'm going to make it 100% clear. I agree that if you have not purchased an expansion you should NOT get the content for free. That is not what I'm asking for. I am asking to be able to play something that just a month ago i was able to play completely unimpeded before this. Because again I ask you to think for a moment.
If Lightfall never came out then this issue wouldn't exist. BUT WAIT. Then you realize it actually does already. For free to play players, they will NEVER be able to play nightfall missions because the chance of old strikes being in rotation gets lower and lower.
This is a blatant artificial inflation on need for expansions and probably the most egregious example I've ever seen in a video game. And the issue is so easy to fix and just to show that I'm not just all complaints i will give an easy solution.
The easiest solution to this is very simply have multiple categories on rotation at once (One for base game and one for each expansion to the game) this way you solve multiple problems at once, ftp players get to freely enjoy nightfall missions and the more expansions you have allows more options per weekly rotation for missions which reduces the need for a mission select option. This also fixes the other problem of weekly nightfall surges that are strand related making me shi out of luck to finish my weekly Ingram missions.

This is a serious issue here fellow gamers and i seriously implore everyone to do two things for every game that they love.
The first thing is continue loving you game. Like seriously, don't stop loving your game no matter what anybody says. Our love for gaming is special and allows these amazing experiences to exist in the first place.
But the second thing is please demand better from your games. Criticism is healthy and can only make an already amazing experience even better. I want Destiny 2 to become even better and this is one serious problem that needs to be fixed.
Thank you for listening.

EDIT: I understand that this isn't a new issue. Completely understand that a lot of players of this game have been dealing with bungies abuse for a lot longer than me. My point is that this shouldn't be an issue in the first place and we should fight back against this. Work together to make the games we love better <3

[Cacttos]

Anyone want to summarize this please?

[Malthar]

Originally posted by LootFruit:

Anyone want to summarize this please?

TLDR: hes pissy that he needs to own the DLC to play the Nightfall

[Ryuukaze]

Originally posted by LootFruit:

Anyone want to summarize this please?

OP didn't buy Lightfall and is upset that they can't play Nightfall this week.

I'm pretty sure it was the same way with Witch Queen, though, so it's not new.

I agree with sucks to be locked out of a weekly thing, but it's not really new.

[Hamburglar's Last Robble]

He has a point. I hadn't considered this and its kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ man....

[AwesomeDude_69]

If you're on pc you can buy lightfall for a 26% discount at cdkeys

[Neno]

Is it really that hard for Bungie to make a Vanguard playlist for people that dont have the DLCs? Literally any other game has that.

[Malthar]

Originally posted by Neno:

Is it really that hard for Bungie to make a Vanguard playlist for people that dont have the DLCs? Literally any other game has that.

course, but that doesnt make bungo more money

[FireFauxes]

Originally posted by Neno:

Is it really that hard for Bungie to make a Vanguard playlist for people that dont have the DLCs? Literally any other game has that.

Its bungie being lazy. We should demand more from our devs.

[Nakos]

The game is "Free-to-Try", not "Free-to-Play-all-the-content-forever".

Yes, you're right, the options for FTP players do get narrower as we go forward and as Bungie adds new content to the Nightfall rotation.

The odds of the older, FTP content coming up in the rotation does get lower and lower. That's the way it goes. Bungie is still giving you sufficient "Free" content to evaluate whether or not you like the basic gameplay.

Bungie is here to make money, not entertain you for free. And do note, my goal in saying that isn't to be callous. That's just the reality of the situation. Bungie is thrilled if you're entertained by their product, but that really is just a secondary goal. They're a for-profit company. The primary goal is, was, and always has been, to make money.

They're far more egalitarian than most companies are: Unlike most FTP games, everyone who wants a given piece of content pays, but more to the point everyone pays the same. Unlike many other companies that have whale-centric models that scale upwards indefinitely.

So ... yeah, if you want to play all the Nightfalls (in the rotation), then yes, you do need all the content.

[HugoTaHell]

!. Needing DLC's for Nightfalls has been a thing since Forsaken. 2. Posts directed at Bungie such as this should be made on the Official D2 forums over at Bungie.net , where someone from Bungie will actually see it instead of on a 3rd party user forum where no one is gonna read that wall of text.

[trukr]

Originally posted by Neno:

Is it really that hard for Bungie to make a Vanguard playlist for people that dont have the DLCs? Literally any other game has that.

Maybe not hard to, but why should they? If the strike was in the playlist, free players can play it, just not in its nightfall form. So, what next, maybe "is it really that hard to let free players play the campaign Literally any other game has that."?

[FireFauxes]

Originally posted by Nakos:

The game is "Free-to-Try", not "Free-to-Play-all-the-content-forever".

Yes, you're right, the options for FTP players do get narrower as we go forward and as Bungie adds new content to the Nightfall rotation.

The odds of the older, FTP content coming up in the rotation does get lower and lower. That's the way it goes. Bungie is still giving you sufficient "Free" content to evaluate whether or not you like the basic gameplay.

Bungie is here to make money, not entertain you for free. And do note, my goal in saying that isn't to be callous. That's just the reality of the situation. Bungie is thrilled if you're entertained by their product, but that really is just a secondary goal. They're a for-profit company. The primary goal is, was, and always has been, to make money.

They're far more egalitarian than most companies are: Unlike most FTP games, everyone who wants a given piece of content pays, but more to the point everyone pays the same. Unlike many other companies that have whale-centric models that scale upwards indefinitely.

So ... yeah, if you want to play all the Nightfalls (in the rotation), then yes, you do need all the content.

Thank you for the well spoken response and I agree 100%. I suppose my gripe is mostly with the players. Because you are right their goal is to make money and that isnt a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with making money for art. However if we don't buy it then they wont make it and will change it. But i suppose its way to late for that at this point XD I just hope that destiny fans still want their game to improve instead of just rolling over and accepting anything bungie says. Because its still possible.

[FireFauxes]

Originally posted by trukr:

Originally posted by FireFauxes:

And i completely understand why. The fact is that people love this game down to their very soul and its honestly pretty special for bungie to have such dedicated fans. People will see criticism for their favorite game and see it as me not enjoying the game they like or thinking im making fun of it. In reality we all just want to play fun games, i just look at it from the perspective of, "what if this great experience was even better" and i wish more gamers saw it that way sometimes. We all want to have fun :)

We are not unwilling to listen to criticism of the game, I expect we all have some ourselves. It is the unreasonable rants that are a turnoff. This thread, that nightfall is a strike that is part of a paid expansion. Would it be nice of them to allow free players to play the nightfall, sure, but expecting it to be is a bit entitled. They allow any to play the strike form if it's in the strike playlist.

The nightfall has been this way back to Forsaken, it's not new and I feel like it's not unreasonable to expect people to have that content to use it.

I have my complaints about Lightfall, I have expressed them to Bungie and I hope that things will improve.

Thank you very much for this bit of information i was completely unaware that nightfall was part of paid dlc specifically and not base game. That is very important context. I suppose then my remaining gripe is that the people that have that dlc and it alone should never be locked off from doing the specific dlc's nightfalls missions they have. Again having difference categories for different dlc's i feel at least would be much healthier for the game.

[trukr]

Originally posted by FireFauxes:

Originally posted by trukr:

We are not unwilling to listen to criticism of the game, I expect we all have some ourselves. It is the unreasonable rants that are a turnoff. This thread, that nightfall is a strike that is part of a paid expansion. Would it be nice of them to allow free players to play the nightfall, sure, but expecting it to be is a bit entitled. They allow any to play the strike form if it's in the strike playlist.

The nightfall has been this way back to Forsaken, it's not new and I feel like it's not unreasonable to expect people to have that content to use it.

I have my complaints about Lightfall, I have expressed them to Bungie and I hope that things will improve.

Thank you very much for this bit of information i was completely unaware that nightfall was part of paid dlc specifically and not base game. That is very important context. I suppose then my remaining gripe is that the people that have that dlc and it alone should never be locked off from doing the specific dlc's nightfalls missions they have. Again having difference categories for different dlc's i feel at least would be much healthier for the game.

A nightfall is a more difficult version of a strike. Strikes come with paid expansions. You can't go to the destinations and play the strikes that are not free to play content, but can play any if they are in the strike playlist. The nightfall is not treated that way, maybe because the Nightfall is not a playlist. The strikes that are in the free to play (free to play can select them from the map and play) can be played in their Nightfall form.

[DakotaThrice]

Originally posted by FireFauxes:

Originally posted by Neno:

Is it really that hard for Bungie to make a Vanguard playlist for people that dont have the DLCs? Literally any other game has that.

Its bungie being lazy. We should demand more from our devs.

How is it Bungie being lazy when this exact feature already exists in the game.