what's up with this rocket and machine gun meta

[Gökyüzü]

Who invented this BS
i have returned to this game after a long while and im still making the most dps with taipan/arbalest/lorentz.
I mean i understand rockets a bit it can still work on some bosses you can still cain autoload perks with some other weapons, i even use parasite sometimes just to one shot champs

But wtf is machine guns they cant even make HALF of my damage and they claim they are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ good
this people doesnt even realize my super hits nearly 600k

[Verios44]

Are ypu all forgetting the best deeeps in the game? Rat King pack!!!!!'

[Gökyüzü]

Escrito originalmente por tanksin:

machine guns can be good but its very dependent on what gun it is, the fight and how fast you can reload, if you are stuck doing a full hard reload on them its gonna hurt the damage done by a large margin, most are made for add clear though so not every machine gun will win out against other options. not sure why you would be doing boss dmg with lorentz though.

if im lucky enought to get the lagnarian sight at dps phage it can hit %30-40 more then which it is very doable at many circumstances but you have to count and watch your surroundings all the time so kind of a hasle

[Avalanche]

I prefer LFRs over Rockets, cause from experience the AI tends to dodge the rockets......i mean don't get me wrong, when they hit, they do more damage, that is not in doubt, but i have just seen too many instances where the enemy dodges to avoid the rocket at the last second.

[DakotaThrice]

Rockets see more use than they did previously due largely to a 15% nerf to LFR damage to bosses, minibosses, champions and vehicles. Machineguns see use astebhre ammo effect, don't have a substantial penalty for missing a shot and can double for add clear. Thunderbird in particular got a lot of attention during the Root of Nightmares launch as its interaction with Divinity was bugged allowing it to proc multiple times and even though this has since been fixed certain players still latch onto it like it's the second coming of Jesus Christ.

[lockwoodx]

The thing I learned about gear after having been away from destiny for years is that there's such a blend of old and new now that someone could still have a pocket spare rations or wild orchid and completely wreck bosses with weapons you otherwise wouldn't consider "meta" so that's my take on MGs and Rockets. Someone out there has an old godroll and is making some nice videos off it.

Btw the moon MG is a BETTER version of Hammerhead now with new traits. Trust me it's a godroll worth chasing. https://www.light.gg/db/items/3325778512/a-fine-memorial/

[Echo2Omega]

Sounds like you are the one who should be making the "OMGBESTDESTIMY2DPSBYFARMAKEEVERYTHINGBURN<3BBQONEPHASEEVERYBOSSNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" videos.

[Gökyüzü]

Escrito originalmente por JG Wentsworth:

Btw the moon MG is a BETTER version of Hammerhead now with new traits. Trust me it's a godroll worth chasing. https://www.light.gg/db/items/3325778512/a-fine-memorial/

Yea i remember getting malfeasence with that mg it was strong enough to one shot regular enemys and it was killing guardians at 3 shot but still i have never consider that for bossing

[Sofia]

Escrito originalmente por Kylito:

MGs are NOT used for boss DPS, save *maybe* Thunderlord. They are used for add clear.
Rockets well outclass LFRs in the DPS realm, the 15% damage nerf they got has put them from S to A/B tier. The only way they are better is for ammo economy and very long sustained DPS, like for 16 orb Oryx.

"machine guns aren't used for boss dps"

do you even play the game bruh?

retrofit with fourth time/target lock is still one of the top dps options on bosses with decent crit spots

[Gökyüzü]

Escrito originalmente por Sofia/Dri:

Escrito originalmente por Kylito:

MGs are NOT used for boss DPS, save *maybe* Thunderlord. They are used for add clear.
Rockets well outclass LFRs in the DPS realm, the 15% damage nerf they got has put them from S to A/B tier. The only way they are better is for ammo economy and very long sustained DPS, like for 16 orb Oryx.

"machine guns aren't used for boss dps"

do you even play the game bruh?

retrofit with fourth time/target lock is still one of the top dps options on bosses with decent crit spots

If i fart to the boss it makes more damage then MG we can test it if you want im free right now

[Kylito]

Escrito originalmente por NEED TO SEE UR BOSS:

Escrito originalmente por Kylito:

MGs are NOT used for boss DPS, save *maybe* Thunderlord. They are used for add clear.
Rockets well outclass LFRs in the DPS realm, the 15% damage nerf they got has put them from S to A/B tier. The only way they are better is for ammo economy and very long sustained DPS, like for 16 orb Oryx.

retrofit escapade want a word with you mate

Retrofit is around B-C tier after the volatile rounds nerf, only really worth considering on a Gyrfalcon's hunter.

[Kylito]

Escrito originalmente por Avalanche:

I prefer LFRs over Rockets, cause from experience the AI tends to dodge the rockets......i mean don't get me wrong, when they hit, they do more damage, that is not in doubt, but i have just seen too many instances where the enemy dodges to avoid the rocket at the last second.

I mean, the same logic can be applied to an LFR. The DPS on a FTTC+B&S Cataclysmic falls off a cliff if you miss even 1 crit.

[Gökyüzü]

Escrito originalmente por Kylito:

Escrito originalmente por Avalanche:

I prefer LFRs over Rockets, cause from experience the AI tends to dodge the rockets......i mean don't get me wrong, when they hit, they do more damage, that is not in doubt, but i have just seen too many instances where the enemy dodges to avoid the rocket at the last second.

I mean, the same logic can be applied to an LFR. The DPS on a FTTC+B&S Cataclysmic falls off a cliff if you miss even 1 crit.

To be fair we are at pc missing a crit should be as punishing as embarrassing it is

Same goes for rocket launchers to but they have velocity to calculate so it is not embarissing its just punishing

[Kylito]

Escrito originalmente por Gökyüzü:

Escrito originalmente por Kylito:

I mean, the same logic can be applied to an LFR. The DPS on a FTTC+B&S Cataclysmic falls off a cliff if you miss even 1 crit.

To be fair we are at pc missing a crit should be as punishing as embarrassing it is

Same goes for rocket launchers to but they have velocity to calculate so it is not embarissing its just punishing

Take Warpriest: medium sized noggin, can move around quite a lot. In the bevvy of VFX raining upon them, how can you make sure you can hit every single crit? The room for error is very, very small. With rockets you can aim center mass and rarely ever miss, even when you can barely see the boss.

[Jagdtiger]

Escrito originalmente por Kylito:

Escrito originalmente por Gökyüzü:

To be fair we are at pc missing a crit should be as punishing as embarrassing it is

Same goes for rocket launchers to but they have velocity to calculate so it is not embarissing its just punishing

Take Warpriest: medium sized noggin, can move around quite a lot. In the bevvy of VFX raining upon them, how can you make sure you can hit every single crit? The room for error is very, very small. With rockets you can aim center mass and rarely ever miss, even when you can barely see the boss.

And you'll also be dealing 1.5-2.5x as much damage

[Gökyüzü]

Escrito originalmente por Kylito:

Escrito originalmente por Gökyüzü:

To be fair we are at pc missing a crit should be as punishing as embarrassing it is

Same goes for rocket launchers to but they have velocity to calculate so it is not embarissing its just punishing

Take Warpriest: medium sized noggin, can move around quite a lot. In the bevvy of VFX raining upon them, how can you make sure you can hit every single crit? The room for error is very, very small. With rockets you can aim center mass and rarely ever miss, even when you can barely see the boss.

Bro i have litterly 900 hours at aimlab i dont miss i take the first kinght and come back to dps and still make more damage then rest of the team. Sure i cant say the same for everybody specialy for console players. But it is not belivable.

In a situation where there is a rocket launcher user with every god roll item and buffs and a LFR user with every god roll item and buffs and also he doesnt miss a crit. Rocket launcher cant make more damage then Linears unless there is a divinity user along side with him the math doesnt add up which i have seen many times all ready