How is this game "Very Positive"?

[meowbeast]

I was gifted a couple of expansions and decided to load up the game. The opening level has pretty good lighting. Then I get out into the actual game and the quality plummets.
I play through the cosmodome thing, make it to the tower. The shooting and stuff has been fun so far.

As I explore the tower, I find all the stuff locked behind expansions. That's to be expected, since the base game is a free-to-play. The game feels different from when I briefly played it on playstation, years ago. I look it up and I find out Bungie is "vaulting content" e.g. removing content you payed for.

I've been playing games my entire life, so I do not understand why people put up with this.
I think it's sad that younger players are growing up with developers behaving this way and thinking it is normal. It shouldn't be normal.

[Verios44]

Aah yet another private profile. To be expected. Brand new troll account too I reckon.

[Yveh]

Originally posted by meowbeast:

I was gifted a couple of expansions and decided to load up the game. The opening level has pretty good lighting. Then I get out into the actual game and the quality plummets.
I play through the cosmodome thing, make it to the tower. The shooting and stuff has been fun so far.

As I explore the tower, I find all the stuff locked behind expansions. That's to be expected, since the base game is a free-to-play. The game feels different from when I briefly played it on playstation, years ago. I look it up and I find out Bungie is "vaulting content" e.g. removing content you payed for.

I've been playing games my entire life, so I do not understand why people put up with this.
I think it's sad that younger players are growing up with developers behaving this way and thinking it is normal. It shouldn't be normal.

At least you were smart enough to download the free game to make it look like you actually play.

[moodguy]

Your game is a disjointed mess Bungie I know you can fix it gimme a call if you need help.
<3

[Psycho]

it's very positive because people like it.... pretty simple. I've returned to this game after leaving it for 2 years and I've been enjoying it just as much as i did when i first played it 2 yrs ago

plus the new update added a bunch of cool features

[meowbeast]

I'm a millennial and I've made my profile public for the day. I apologize if my privacy settings has impeded anyone's ad hominem attacks. I also do own the game on Playstation when it wasn't "free" but $60.

[Syrekroth]

Originally posted by meowbeast:

I'm a millennial and I've made my profile public for the day. I apologize if my privacy settings has impeded anyone's ad hominem attacks. I also do own the game on Playstation when it wasn't "free" but $60.

okay then if you paid you are affected and do get an opinion. then ill go the other route. research that the previous build of the engine could not support the amount of content the game had in it. the game was breaking. i was playing constantly prior to the "great sunsetting," the game was literally breaking. bugs were rampant. load times were terrible. i can go on if you like. they had to remove content cause they didnt have time to rework all of it for the new engine we got. its why we had to uninstall and reinstall during beyond light.

edit: all the content they removed was added to the content vault. which also happens to include destiny 1 stuff people are asking for. which is being put in. the new engine is handling it better so they keep adding stuff. d2 stuff that is in there is slated to be worked on and released.

[Nakos]

Because it's a fun game. Provided ARPG/Looter-Shooter style games are your thing.


Yes, some of the older content was removed, largely for technical reasons. It wasn't a case of "hey we're just going to remove some stuff" it was "hey, we're going to remove some older stuff that most people don't use in order to provide you with new stuff that we think people will like".

If you want to go check your software EULAs you'll find out you don't actually own about 99% of your software. What you purchase is an access license for the duration of the service lifetime of the software. The provider (Bungie in this case) retains all ownership rights, and is the sole determiner of the duration of that service lifetime.

In the business world, software gets sunsetted all the time. Not casually, or lightly, but stuff does reach the end of its service lifetime, and support is retired.

[Syrekroth]

Originally posted by Nakos:

Because it's a fun game. Provided ARPG/Looter-Shooter style games are your thing.


Yes, some of the older content was removed, largely for technical reasons. It wasn't a case of "hey we're just going to remove some stuff" it was "hey, we're going to remove some older stuff that most people don't use in order to provide you with new stuff that we think people will like".

If you want to go check your software EULAs you'll find out you don't actually own about 99% of your software. What you purchase is an access license for the duration of the service lifetime of the software. The provider (Bungie in this case) retains all ownership rights, and is the sole determiner of the duration of that service lifetime.

In the business world, software gets sunsetted all the time. Not casually, or lightly, but stuff does reach the end of its service lifetime, and support is retired.

and people should go into a game like this which is even advertised as such a "live service" which means that it will go until it is not financially viable to keep up. aka when people stop playing.

[meowbeast]

Originally posted by Syrekroth:

Originally posted by meowbeast:

I'm a millennial and I've made my profile public for the day. I apologize if my privacy settings has impeded anyone's ad hominem attacks. I also do own the game on Playstation when it wasn't "free" but $60.

okay then if you paid you are affected and do get an opinion. then ill go the other route. research that the previous build of the engine could not support the amount of content the game had in it. the game was breaking. i was playing constantly prior to the "great sunsetting," the game was literally breaking. bugs were rampant. load times were terrible. i can go on if you like. they had to remove content cause they didnt have time to rework all of it for the new engine we got. its why we had to uninstall and reinstall during beyond light.

edit: all the content they removed was added to the content vault. which also happens to include destiny 1 stuff people are asking for. which is being put in. the new engine is handling it better so they keep adding stuff. d2 stuff that is in there is slated to be worked on and released.

It shouldn't be the players' fault bungie made a poor engine. If they had time to shovel out paid content they should have had time to fix a crap engine.

Originally posted by Nakos:

Because it's a fun game. Provided ARPG/Looter-Shooter style games are your thing.


Yes, some of the older content was removed, largely for technical reasons. It wasn't a case of "hey we're just going to remove some stuff" it was "hey, we're going to remove some older stuff that most people don't use in order to provide you with new stuff that we think people will like".

If you want to go check your software EULAs you'll find out you don't actually own about 99% of your software. What you purchase is an access license for the duration of the service lifetime of the software. The provider (Bungie in this case) retains all ownership rights.

In the business world, software gets sunsetted all the time. Not casually, or lightly, but stuff does reach the end of its service lifetime, and support is retired.

I really don't care what EULAs say. I don't have time to read them. No one does. Let's be real here.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/15/i-read-all-the-small-print-on-the-internet

Most software I own is still available today unless they were just used to get through school. I don't buy free-to-play drek or ubisoft games, though sometimes people gift them to me. Bungie is free to be as sketchy as it wants, but I don't have to like it. It's legal to marry minors in many states of the U.S., but it doesn't make it right. Legality is not the same thing as morality.

[meowbeast]

I can see why people have a problem with my post title. I find the actual game fun, it's just Bungie's practices that left a bad taste in my mouth. I can understand why people are playing the game though.

[Syrekroth]

Originally posted by meowbeast:

It shouldn't be the players' fault bungie made a poor engine. If they had time to shovel out paid content they should have had time to fix a crap engine.



I really don't care what EULAs say. I don't have time to read them. No one does. Let's be real here.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/15/i-read-all-the-small-print-on-the-internet

Most software I own is still available today unless they were just used to get through school. I don't buy free-to-play drek or ubisoft games, though sometimes people gift them to me. Bungie is free to be as sketchy as it wants, but I don't have to like it. It's legal to marry minors in many states of the U.S., but it doesn't make it right. Legality is not the same thing as morality.

ah the victim card has been played. combined with the "no time to read EULAs therefore its not my fault i didnt know the company is within its rights to do whatever they want" card. welcome to the digital world where nothing is permanent. that software that you own from school can succumb to the same things. you have to upgrade to newer versions or they will just stop working. eventually the older software you have a license for will no longer work on the newer versions of windows. so your argument literally defeats itself. good job on that one.

[Amongus]

+1, I cannot fathom how people are okay with bungie's vaulting of paid content.

[meowbeast]

Originally posted by Syrekroth:

Originally posted by meowbeast:

It shouldn't be the players' fault bungie made a poor engine. If they had time to shovel out paid content they should have had time to fix a crap engine.



I really don't care what EULAs say. I don't have time to read them. No one does. Let's be real here.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/15/i-read-all-the-small-print-on-the-internet

Most software I own is still available today unless they were just used to get through school. I don't buy free-to-play drek or ubisoft games, though sometimes people gift them to me. Bungie is free to be as sketchy as it wants, but I don't have to like it. It's legal to marry minors in many states of the U.S., but it doesn't make it right. Legality is not the same thing as morality.

ah the victim card has been played. combined with the "no time to read EULAs therefore its not my fault i didnt know the company is within its rights to do whatever they want" card. welcome to the digital world where nothing is permanent. that software that you own from school can succumb to the same things. you have to upgrade to newer versions or they will just stop working. eventually the older software you have a license for will no longer work on the newer versions of windows. so your argument literally defeats itself. good job on that one.

What is it you think my argument is?

[Nakos]

Originally posted by meowbeast:

I really don't care what EULAs say. I don't have time to read them. No one does. Let's be real here.

Except you clearly do, because the EULA is the critical element bearing on your complaint (or at least that aspect of it).

If you don't want to read the Destiny 2 EULA (or any other) that's certainly your prerogative, but they still do impact you regardless. Yes, they're tedious, no argument there. They still apply though.

Originally posted by meowbeast:

Most software I own is still available today unless they were just used to get through school. I don't buy free-to-play drek or ubisoft games, though sometimes people gift them to me. Bungie is free to be as sketchy as it wants, but I don't have to like it. It's legal to marry minors in many states of the U.S., but it doesn't make it right. Legality is not the same thing as morality.

Sure. But no one, not even Bungie actually wanted to remove that older content. You can insist you have the moral high ground all you like, but if the company falls below the threshold of financial viability then the game ceases to exist. And the customers would be far more "screwed over" if that happened. No one thinks the removal of the older content was a good thing, but it was still the lesser of two evils.

And the bottom line remains: It's a fun game, featuring a playstyle I particularly enjoy, and presented at a price I consider quite reasonable. You're certainly free to evaluate both Bungie and their game differently.

[meowbeast]

Originally posted by Nakos:

Originally posted by meowbeast:

I really don't care what EULAs say. I don't have time to read them. No one does. Let's be real here.

Except you clearly do, because the EULA is the critical element bearing on your complaint (or at least that aspect of it).

If you don't want to read the Destiny 2 EULA (or any other) that's certainly your prerogative, but they still do impact you regardless. Yes, they're tedious, no argument there. They still apply though.

Originally posted by meowbeast:

Most software I own is still available today unless they were just used to get through school. I don't buy free-to-play drek or ubisoft games, though sometimes people gift them to me. Bungie is free to be as sketchy as it wants, but I don't have to like it. It's legal to marry minors in many states of the U.S., but it doesn't make it right. Legality is not the same thing as morality.

Sure. But no one, not even Bungie actually wanted to remove that older content. You can insist you have the moral high ground all you like, but if the company falls below the threshold of financial viability then the game ceases to exist. And the customers would be far more "screwed over" if that happened. No one thinks the removal of the older content was a good thing, but it was still the lesser of two evils.

And the bottom line remains: It's a fun game, featuring a playstyle I particularly enjoy, and presented at a price I consider quite reasonable. You're certainly free to evaluate both Bungie and their game differently.

I remain skeptical of Bungie's reasoning for getting rid of content. I think it's fine that you're getting value out of it. I look at the content that they offer and I just don't think it provides enough value for what it costs. It seems the majority of people who played lightfall feel the same way.