Who really figures out the puzzles and raid sequences?

[rookie]

I just did part of the Mysterious Box quest where you have to pull the levers to open the door to get to the watchers. There's slightly over 700 combinations to pull those levers if I remember how to do my combinations right. Who actually figures this stuff out?

Of course I cheated by watching a you tube video on how to do it.

[DANEDANGER]

Originally posted by rookie:

Of course I cheated by watching a you tube video on how to do it.

That isnt cheating, thats simply using a (f)tool to help you going on. Cheat would be you use 1 lever and the puzzle is solved :) those vids are there done by the more patient players among us. They found out how hard it was and how long one would be trying all those 700 combinations and figured... this wont work for the majorty of players lets make a helpfull vid to avoid them doing the same trouble and hardship :)

[rookie]

So if I was in school and I looked at the the teacher's text book to find the answers that wouldn't be cheating? The answer is of course it would be.

But my point is why are these puzzles made so difficult and who actually spends the amount of time to figure them out?

A good case in point is the lever puzzle. You mean someone somewhere actually tried the combinations of 1,1,1,1,1,1 then 1,1,1,1,1,2..etc. until the door opened?

I say BS.

[Madderlake]

Because they are designed with the social aspect of the game in mind, so if 80k players try to solve the puzzle eventually one will find it then upload the solution. It indeed is BS for cases like mysterious box's lever puzzle, and torch ligthing sequence for the exotic MG quest, for single play

[bywoggy]

Have you tried the Niobe labs puzzle yet ?
Figure out the number of combinations in that .
Mind boggling numbers .
Did u watch the corridors of time puzzle being solved ?
Those levers are childs play compared to those 2 puzzles .
But yes I get your point , they are ridiculously complicated and not for the casual player to solve .
Bungie doesn`t cater for the casual .
Raids , Grand master nightfalls , trials are all out of the casual players reach .
Yet they are arguably the most fun and best content .
Go figure ? Why do we put up with this treatment ?

[rookie]

No, I haven't done any of the raids. I'm just working through the Forsaken content before me.

I did watch a you tube video on the leviathan raid and it was one reason I made this post. Fairs fair and all but some of this stuff is just going too far in my opinion.

[Zoomii]

Looking this stuff up isn't cheating, all of this stuff is figured out as a community. None of this stuff was solved by one person, everyone worked together. Look at the Corridors of Time puzzle, which isn't available anymore in game. It REQUIRED the entire community to work together. You mentioned that it's like cheating on a test. It isn't like that, using a guide for this game is like working together on a massive group project. You aren't meant to figure it out on your own.

[Uncle M]

going to school is chating since you're meant to figure out calculus yourself

[rookie]

Originally posted by Pontius Pilatus:

going to school is chating since you're meant to figure out calculus yourself

Well one of the biggest lessons you learn in college is how to teach yourself. So I guess college is a big cheat.

[Nibbie]

Originally posted by rookie:

So if I was in school and I looked at the the teacher's text book to find the answers that wouldn't be cheating? The answer is of course it would be.

But my point is why are these puzzles made so difficult and who actually spends the amount of time to figure them out?

A good case in point is the lever puzzle. You mean someone somewhere actually tried the combinations of 1,1,1,1,1,1 then 1,1,1,1,1,2..etc. until the door opened?

I say BS.

You literally mention in your OP the right number of possibilities, then say that? Oh boy. The levers stay down for a certain amount of time while you do the puzzle eliminating multiple of the same lever in the solution. In which case thousands of examples you suddenly are thinking of don't exist, as you initially mentioned there are only 720 possible solutions to the puzzle, and since each one only takes a few seconds, it really isn't that long to brute force it. Let's say it takes ten seconds per try, that is 7200 seconds max (2 hours). On average you randomly find it in half that time, 1 hour. It is so extremely far from unrealistic that someone spent that amount of time trying them. You the consider that you can coordinate a community to do it (for example, just six groups each trying a different starting number), and it doesn't take long at all to solve.

Your analogy also sucks. Looking at the teacher's textbook would be looking in the game files or otherwise hacking/manipulating the game to learn the code. Looking up a video is more like asking a classmate what they got. Considering that this is also a group project, not a solo exam, it is perfectly fine.

Did you cheat on your math quiz because you were instructed that a^2+b^2 = c^2? Or that area = pi(r)^2? You certainly didn't figure those out on your own. You didn't design and make the hardware or software you are using to send these messages either, you used other people's expertise for that. Trying to do these sorts of things on your own is fine (I try to use looking stuff up as a last resort myself) but calling stuff designed to be done by a community cheating when other people use that group's effort is calling almost all of human progress cheating. You are not competing with anyone or being tested on your ability to pull different combination of levers, there is no cheating there.

[Dark, House of Luck]

Watch a World's First Raid run or a Community Puzzle Event(Niobe Labs, Corridors of Time, The original Black Spindle quest in Destiny 1) to truly understand the amount of work some of these clans and this community put into figuring things out.