...the game begins great... then bungie abandons matchmaking...

[Judess69er]

honestly anyone wanna explain to me why the sam hell 90% raids and all the difficult runs are matchmaking disabled... its the one thing that absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ me off about the first Destiny also they allow matchmaking in all the low level 3 man runs but not in 6 man runs... its completely mental....

Create an NPC in the Tower that players can use to look for and find fireteams with basically the same settings that the LFG sites have, Reqired light, mic only, sherpa, ect...

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by Judess69er:

honestly anyone wanna explain to me why the sam hell 90% raids and all the difficult runs are matchmaking disabled... its the one thing that absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ me off about the first Destiny also they allow matchmaking in all the low level 3 man runs but not in 6 man runs... its completely mental....

Maybe because running raids with full groups of randoms that don't communicate isn't a great idea? If you want to do raids, you will have to get into a group with others and use communication. Without communication, you won't clear the raid. Simple as that.

[mark1971]

Originally posted by Judess69er:

honestly anyone wanna explain to me why the sam hell 90% raids and all the difficult runs are matchmaking disabled... its the one thing that absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ me off about the first Destiny also they allow matchmaking in all the low level 3 man runs but not in 6 man runs... its completely mental....

You have to be organized for activites like that. If you wanna get in, make some friends. That is the first step in being social.

[Judess69er]

Originally posted by R A Z E R:

Originally posted by Judess69er:

honestly anyone wanna explain to me why the sam hell 90% raids and all the difficult runs are matchmaking disabled... its the one thing that absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ me off about the first Destiny also they allow matchmaking in all the low level 3 man runs but not in 6 man runs... its completely mental....

Maybe because running raids with full groups of randoms that don't communicate isn't a great idea? If you want to do raids, you will have to get into a group with others and use communication. Without communication, you won't clear the raid. Simple as that.

raids with pugs has worked in most other games and as far as communication goes iv noticed quite a lack of it already even in the epic nightfall strikes so i don't think it will get any better, most raids can be completed without communication... the only communication you really even get is "we don't want to do that raid" or "go away noob" you try to find a group for Prestige Spire of Stars lately? nobody wants to run that raid ...making everything matchmaking enabled wont destroy groups it'l make the game more fun because you wont have to spend 4-6 hours of your day LFGing instead you could try your luck PUGing and actually be playing the game with a fireteam even if they are randoms

[zOldBulldog]

Simple answer, Bungie does not know how to do proper matchmaking (it is horribly incompetently done in both PvE and PvP). Also, those raids all require that you know what to do and where to go in advance because Bungie could not be bothered to provide instructions in-game.

If they enabled matchmaking you'd end up with teams that constantly fail. That would be even more frustrating.

In other words, lacking that matchmaking is a kindness to you.

[Judess69er]

Originally posted by Neo_Intended:

Originally posted by Judess69er:

honestly anyone wanna explain to me why the sam hell 90% raids and all the difficult runs are matchmaking disabled... its the one thing that absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ me off about the first Destiny also they allow matchmaking in all the low level 3 man runs but not in 6 man runs... its completely mental....

You have to be organized for activites like that. If you wanna get in, make some friends. That is the first step in being social.

right... you need to be organised... that's a good joke... lol <-- see i even laughed... you just need a few extra hands to beat the bosses.... and sitting around waiting on a LFG reply is boring as all hell its killing this game people want to play the game not wait around to play the game....

like honestly why the hell do you think there's soo many solo run guides for these raids on youtube... people got sick and tired of trying to LFG group members and just found a trick they could exploit

[Jenova]

On the bungie site there is a matchmaking system to get people for the raids and the high level nightfalls. You will pug the raid once with no communication before realizing that unless you've all done it before; it's just a wipefest. You can also queue to join a clan's raid (which is the better option to pug since more often then not they are willing to teach you the boss mechanics etc). Destiny raids aren't like in a mmorpg (tank and spank LFR from Wow). It's more like a 6man operation.

[trahuar]

And what about Nightfall strikes? Why you can do it with 920 but later matchmaking is disabled? Why you can do menagerie but cant heroic?

[Judess69er]

Originally posted by trahuar:

And what about Nightfall strikes? Why you can do it with 920 but later matchmaking is disabled? Why you can do menagerie but cant heroic?

i feel ya they really should just have matchmaking on all the runs from the map and just let the players choose if they wanna queue with matching on or off

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by Judess69er:

raids with pugs has worked in most other games and as far as communication goes iv noticed quite a lack of it already even in the epic nightfall strikes so i don't think it will get any better, most raids can be completed without communication... the only communication you really even get is "we don't want to do that raid" or "go away noob" you try to find a group for Prestige Spire of Stars lately? nobody wants to run that raid ...making everything matchmaking enabled wont destroy groups it'l make the game more fun because you wont have to spend 4-6 hours of your day LFGing instead you could try your luck PUGing and actually be playing the game with a fireteam even if they are randoms

This is so far from being true it isn't even funny. Even Scourge, the easiest raid in D2, requires communication between map/orb gatherers.

Also, your raid.report says you have 0 raid clears...

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by Judess69er:

Originally posted by R A Z E R:

Maybe because running raids with full groups of randoms that don't communicate isn't a great idea? If you want to do raids, you will have to get into a group with others and use communication. Without communication, you won't clear the raid. Simple as that.

raids with pugs has worked in most other games and as far as communication goes iv noticed quite a lack of it already even in the epic nightfall strikes so i don't think it will get any better, most raids can be completed without communication... the only communication you really even get is "we don't want to do that raid" or "go away noob" you try to find a group for Prestige Spire of Stars lately? nobody wants to run that raid ...making everything matchmaking enabled wont destroy groups it'l make the game more fun because you wont have to spend 4-6 hours of your day LFGing instead you could try your luck PUGing and actually be playing the game with a fireteam even if they are randoms

Most nighftall stuff is a walk in the park anyway except for the 980 ones. Nightfall strikes are also really not that hard.

Raids have mechanics that require communication or you will literally get a complete team wipe.. Raids also have mechanics that needs to be done in the correct way, to be able to get past stuff..

Communication is key.. Or do you rather play for multiple hours because you have teamed up with players that don't know how certain things work, ending up in everyone running around like chickens.

Why does a game need to give you a helping hand on everything?

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by trahuar:

And what about Nightfall strikes? Why you can do it with 920 but later matchmaking is disabled? Why you can do menagerie but cant heroic?

Because you need to organise your loadouts as a fireteam. You need to make sure you're running the right elements for shields and have the right champion mods, otherwise you're screwed. You'd need a 6 month course of chemo after running a 980 NF in public matchmaking.

[Judess69er]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by Judess69er:

raids with pugs has worked in most other games and as far as communication goes iv noticed quite a lack of it already even in the epic nightfall strikes so i don't think it will get any better, most raids can be completed without communication... the only communication you really even get is "we don't want to do that raid" or "go away noob" you try to find a group for Prestige Spire of Stars lately? nobody wants to run that raid ...making everything matchmaking enabled wont destroy groups it'l make the game more fun because you wont have to spend 4-6 hours of your day LFGing instead you could try your luck PUGing and actually be playing the game with a fireteam even if they are randoms

This is so far from being true it isn't even funny. Even Scourge, the easiest raid in D2, requires communication between map/orb gatherers.

Also, your raid.report says you have 0 raid clears...

lol idfk where your getting your statistics cause i have done the sundial o.o' the only actual raid with matchmaking enabled

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by Judess69er:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

This is so far from being true it isn't even funny. Even Scourge, the easiest raid in D2, requires communication between map/orb gatherers.

Also, your raid.report says you have 0 raid clears...

lol idfk where your getting your statistics cause i have done the sundial o.o' the only actual raid with matchmaking enabled

Sundial isn't a raid. It's a menargery activity. And if sundial gives you a overview on how a raid is, than you are in for a surprise when you go into a actual raid.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by Judess69er:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

This is so far from being true it isn't even funny. Even Scourge, the easiest raid in D2, requires communication between map/orb gatherers.

Also, your raid.report says you have 0 raid clears...

lol idfk where your getting your statistics cause i have done the sundial o.o' the only actual raid with matchmaking enabled

https://raid.report/pc/4611686018493329688

The Sundial isn't even comparable to a raid. It's just a 6 player activity, like Menagerie, Vex Offensive, etc.

[Judess69er]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by trahuar:

And what about Nightfall strikes? Why you can do it with 920 but later matchmaking is disabled? Why you can do menagerie but cant heroic?

Because you need to organise your loadouts as a fireteam. You need to make sure you're running the right elements for shields and have the right champion mods, otherwise you're screwed. You'd need a 6 month course of chemo after running a 980 NF in public matchmaking.

thats great for you... it wont effect you if you run with a full party because you wont be PUGing but what about the rest of us that actually don't give a flying f... about all that crap