PSA on Corrupted and the Relics

[iamcorn]

Whenever it's in Nightfall please when you pick up the relic, toss it to an ally. doing so ensures when it's tossed at someone that it knocks their shield out immediately. as opposed to picking it up and fruitlessly tossing it three or four times before the shield goes down. Also look out for allies looking to throw the relic to you.

[(V)(;,,;)(V)]

people who cant figure this out have no business being in a nightfall, this isnt the only place with this mechanic in the game either.

this is why most dont want matchmaking in endgame content. id still prefer a built in lfg app/page/whatever in the roster section of the menus though.

[Sad_Gumby]

Does the game actually tell you this other than figuring it out through experience? I've run Corrupted a fair number of times (including Nightfall I'm pretty sure) and never knew about this. It's possible there's a tiny line of text saying "empowered" that I often miss, but am curious if players are actually informed about this mechanic. Similar to how you can stop the bosses in Astral Alignment from stomping if someone in range of the batteries shoots them, but there's no real indicator this is a thing.

[iamcorn]

Originally posted by ralphtobybob:

Are you referring to the elevator part? I've done that alone or with players who didn't know what to do, and I've never had a problem knocking out the shields.

And the final encounter. On regular strike playlist it doesn't really matter. on the nightfall (which it is the present Nightfall) doing it without tossing it to people takes at a couple of tosses to knock out a single shield.

Originally posted by Dirk Darkly:

Does the game actually tell you this other than figuring it out through experience? I've run Corrupted a fair number of times (including Nightfall I'm pretty sure) and never knew about this. It's possible there's a tiny line of text saying "empowered" that I often miss, but am curious if players are actually informed about this mechanic. Similar to how you can stop the bosses in Astral Alignment from stomping if someone in range of the batteries shoots them, but there's no real indicator this is a thing.

I don't think it does but that's kinda why I made this thread in the first place. I was a little appalled and disgruntled by how few people matchmaking the nightfall realized to do this.

[Knocks (I BUY MICS)]

As a somewhat new player, with about 50 hours total and just hit 1300 today, I can assure you the game does not inform you at all to do this. I have ran that nightfall like 5 times already and I just throw the relic 3 times, for example. Although I'm generally enjoying my time with the game, the cryptic nature of some of the game mechanics, and Bungie's insistence on making buffs only noticeable if you look at some small text in the corner, is really annoying. I did my first raid (DSC) and was shocked that having that bomb thing on your head is only shown as small text, with no screen effects to signal it's on your head. Some of this design is just dumb.

Anyways, thanks for sharing.

[Knocks (I BUY MICS)]

Originally posted by (V)(,,)(V):

people who cant figure this out have no business being in a nightfall

Eh. Kind of elitist attitude. The game absolutely does not mention it, and if your first experience is throwing the relic and it hits the immune shield to damage it, of course you're gonna think it's the right way to do it. Further compounded by the fact that everyone I've matched with has done it the same way. Nightfalls are plenty doable without knowing this "shortcut". Instead, you should text chat the fireteam if they are doing it wrong so they can learn.

[(V)(;,,;)(V)]

if its your first time doing a strike and trying to figure out the mechanics, there is NO reason for you to be in a nightfall bringing the rest of your team down because you didnt do prepare for it properly. gathering info is a part of prep, unless your going in as a 3 stack to figure them out together, you should already know how to handle the mechanics. at the very least when running the normal strike you should figure out this mechanic where you fight the boss before she goes back to the shattered realm for the final fight. that area is big enough that if its your first time you wouldnt be throwing the orb ALL THE WAY ACROSS ON YOUR OWN, its literally built to be thrown from team member to team member with the distance and number of adds that spawn.
not to mention the great number of a-holes who try to kill their teammates on purpose who would figure out the mechanic immediately.

[valfarovhel]

Just because you throw it to teammates doesn't mean they're going to throw it at the target. Or, some people grab them and won't throw it to you.

[SpasticBiscuit]

i honestly believe some people are actually brain dead when playing this strike

[SpasticBiscuit]

Originally posted by Knocks:

Originally posted by (V)(,,)(V):

people who cant figure this out have no business being in a nightfall

Eh. Kind of elitist attitude. The game absolutely does not mention it, and if your first experience is throwing the relic and it hits the immune shield to damage it, of course you're gonna think it's the right way to do it. Further compounded by the fact that everyone I've matched with has done it the same way. Nightfalls are plenty doable without knowing this "shortcut". Instead, you should text chat the fireteam if they are doing it wrong so they can learn.

i wouldn't expect someone in the normal strike playlist to know these mechanics but nightfalls you should go into with proper knowledge on how these encounters work. Theres a thing called google theres a billion guides out there this strike has been out for over 3 years.

[Sad_Gumby]

Originally posted by (V)(,,)(V):

... that area is big enough that if its your first time you wouldnt be throwing the orb ALL THE WAY ACROSS ON YOUR OWN...

I should point out that it's very easy to throw the orb across the map. If you aim above her head, it will track to her position. If anything, it might be faster to chuck it three times yourself from the same spot instead of passing it to a teammate and hoping they throw it at her.

[Knocks (I BUY MICS)]

Originally posted by TTV.SpasBiscuit:

Originally posted by Knocks:

Eh. Kind of elitist attitude. The game absolutely does not mention it, and if your first experience is throwing the relic and it hits the immune shield to damage it, of course you're gonna think it's the right way to do it. Further compounded by the fact that everyone I've matched with has done it the same way. Nightfalls are plenty doable without knowing this "shortcut". Instead, you should text chat the fireteam if they are doing it wrong so they can learn.

i wouldn't expect someone in the normal strike playlist to know these mechanics but nightfalls you should go into with proper knowledge on how these encounters work. Theres a thing called google theres a billion guides out there this strike has been out for over 3 years.

No. Throwing it across the map 3 times is very quick and it literally tracks to her position, making it almost impossible to miss. If I go in to the strike with the knowledge of how to throw it, and it takes an extra 5 seconds to throw it three times vs throwing it to a teammate, that's something you'll just have to deal with. I'm not gonna google every activity in the damn game just to make sure I'm not costing another player 5 extra seconds here and there. Again, totally elitist attitude. Some people have lives outside of the game and I'm pretty sure most people don't care that much how you throw it, so long as you're throwing it.

Again, the idea that players don't "know the mechanics" is BS, what you're referring to is a *hidden* mechanic that gives you a few second headstart. The core mechanics are there and are understood by basically everyone. Are you so incredibly impatient that you cant wait an extra 5 seconds in a 15 minute strike? Or are you trying to pretend that 5 seconds is gonna cost you your 100,000 score?

You're asking people to take a mechanic that works perfectly fine, assume they are doing it wrong for no reason at all, and go to google. That's not how humans work, and it's an insulting expectation.

[Knocks (I BUY MICS)]

Originally posted by Dirk Darkly:

Originally posted by (V)(,,)(V):

... that area is big enough that if its your first time you wouldnt be throwing the orb ALL THE WAY ACROSS ON YOUR OWN...

I should point out that it's very easy to throw the orb across the map. If you aim above her head, it will track to her position. If anything, it might be faster to chuck it three times yourself from the same spot instead of passing it to a teammate and hoping they throw it at her.

Thank you for pointing out some common sense. You'd think the elite players would know this.

[Rasluka]

Originally posted by Dirk Darkly:

Originally posted by (V)(,,)(V):

... that area is big enough that if its your first time you wouldnt be throwing the orb ALL THE WAY ACROSS ON YOUR OWN...

I should point out that it's very easy to throw the orb across the map. If you aim above her head, it will track to her position. If anything, it might be faster to chuck it three times yourself from the same spot instead of passing it to a teammate and hoping they throw it at her.

Isn't there a damage bonus against her if you use a passed orb though?

[Knocks (I BUY MICS)]

Originally posted by Guide Dragon:

Originally posted by Dirk Darkly:

I should point out that it's very easy to throw the orb across the map. If you aim above her head, it will track to her position. If anything, it might be faster to chuck it three times yourself from the same spot instead of passing it to a teammate and hoping they throw it at her.

Isn't there a damage bonus against her if you use a passed orb though?

Yes. But the problem is that the game doesn't tell you this, and it's a slight few-second buff at best to do it this way. People are saying you shouldn't even be in a nightfall strike if you don't know this, as if it affects them literally at all.

[Rasluka]

Originally posted by Knocks:

Originally posted by Guide Dragon:

Isn't there a damage bonus against her if you use a passed orb though?

Yes. But the problem is that the game doesn't tell you this, and it's a slight few-second buff at best to do it this way. People are saying you shouldn't even be in a nightfall strike if you don't know this, as if it affects them literally at all.

Yeah it doesn't seem like an essential step unless you're doing Legendary and up, in which case you need LFG anyway.