Whats the best weapon to get with Exotic Cipher?

[Jewtaro]

Mainly for PVP. Should I wait till next season for gun changes?

[Dante Ironclaw]

For pvp it'll be one of the hand cannons, Ace of Spades or Thorn (Outbreak is decent for pvp or pve)

PvE you'll want to grab Izanagi's or Anarchy (Sleeper could be good depend on the fusion rifle buffs next season)

[Mister Wiggles]

Id wait, you can get ciphers pretty easily so wouldnt worry about them.

120's are gonna get a range nerf, to what extent well we'll have to wait and see but if its enough to pring 140's back then we're going back to an Ace of Spades meta or Dead mans tale will step up in place of the 120's and the meta will more or less look the same, maybe with more pulse rifles.

[DabMan]

Originally posted by Dante Ironclaw:

For pvp it'll be one of the hand cannons, Ace of Spades or Thorn (Outbreak is decent for pvp or pve)

PvE you'll want to grab Izanagi's or Anarchy (Sleeper could be good depend on the fusion rifle buffs next season)

Don't forget Witherhoard, that Grenade Launcher is great for when you need a Sword.

[Jewtaro]

Thanks for the replies guys.
I have a related question. How do gun stats work exactly in this game? I have a Crimson with Catalyst and all of its stats are better if not way better than Ace of Spades and last word and other top tier hand cannons in PVP. But Crimson is not a top tier weapon in PVP, right? Is it because of the damage being divided into a three bullet burst? Is it because of the perks?

[MOSLEY]

Crimson, specifically, is just weird. It's always been one of those guns that is amazing if you look at the raw stats but terrible once you actually put it in your hand. The burst fire is weird and it tends to obscure your vision a lot while you're shooting it.

Ace is good because it has really good base stats compared to other 140s and it has a butt load of perks. Firefly is basically outlaw and dragonfly combined into one perk, it has it's own version of kill clip that never times out and it basically has the hunter exotic knucklehead radar built-in, in that you don't lose your radar while aiming it.

That said, 120s are still generally a better pick than ace in the current sandbox, but that might change when their range nerf hits on Tuesday.

[Dante Ironclaw]

Originally posted by DabMan:

Originally posted by Dante Ironclaw:

For pvp it'll be one of the hand cannons, Ace of Spades or Thorn (Outbreak is decent for pvp or pve)

PvE you'll want to grab Izanagi's or Anarchy (Sleeper could be good depend on the fusion rifle buffs next season)

Don't forget Witherhoard, that Grenade Launcher is great for when you need a Sword.

Cant you still normally get witherhoard or is that only through the kiosk? Thats why i didnt mention it.

[DabMan]

Originally posted by Dante Ironclaw:

Originally posted by DabMan:

Don't forget Witherhoard, that Grenade Launcher is great for when you need a Sword.

Cant you still normally get witherhoard or is that only through the kiosk? Thats why i didnt mention it.

It's in the kiosk.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by DabMan:

Don't forget Witherhoard, that Grenade Launcher is great for when you need a Sword.

if i remember correctly,you Cant Buy Seasonal Exotic with out the season pass.