Tommy matchbook vs sweet business?

[dragon864789]

so which one is better in general and why?
and what is the pro and cons for both? with or without its cataylst

[Guars]

tommy is better imo, don't need to prefire it to charge it and overall deals more damage and you can also hip-fire it, with sweet business you need to prefire the weapon which can cause the other team to runaway after they've been killed by you doing the same thing before

[dragon864789]

Originally posted by feline:

both of it is an abadon weapon is no one use :0
so its hard to see ppl say about it :v
cheer

not helpful, i like these subpressive fire weapons, feels good

[dragon864789]

Originally posted by Guars:

tommy is better imo, don't need to prefire it to charge it and overall deals more damage and you can also hip-fire it, with sweet business you need to prefire the weapon which can cause the other team to runaway after they've been killed by you doing the same thing before

but doesnt the tommy take away your shield and keep you at red? i dont do pvp, but you know, unless there is a way to regen the sheild

[Fabshin]

Sweet has more range but up close tommy does more dps.

[dragon864789]

oof both of them require crucible for the cataylst? and im a total noob at pvp, and stasis is a thing, well ♥♥♥♥ me over double time

[Hotklou]

Originally posted by dragon864789:

oof both of them require crucible for the cataylst? and im a total noob at pvp, and stasis is a thing, well ♥♥♥♥ me over double time

seems like most things require crucible for their catalysts this season... guess we'll all just HAVE TO get better at crucible.

[dragon864789]

Originally posted by Hotklou:

Originally posted by dragon864789:

oof both of them require crucible for the cataylst? and im a total noob at pvp, and stasis is a thing, well ♥♥♥♥ me over double time

seems like most things require crucible for their catalysts this season... guess we'll all just HAVE TO get better at crucible.

yea, but with stasis.......idk, but there is different modes of crucible, but idk which one is best for noobs and getting alot of kills for cataylsts

[The Infinite Archiver]

Sweet Business' catalyst is a random drop if i recall right, which I got mine from a Nightfall Strike.

Sweet Business I would argue is superior in the case that Tommy's Matchbook will essentially drain your health to half when using consistent fire.. yes, there is a higher damage increase, but it does require closer range, of which combined with your sacrificed health could be.. but at most, you barely get 1K of extra damage with the standard 1.2K or so.

Sweet Business will generally deal 900-950 non-crit and 1K/1.2K crit per bullet, combined with roughly 1,050 ammo overall in the weapon, it can deliver what is essentially a powerhouse of damage over several seconds. Players rarely use it because they generally want something that kills instantly, ie, a shotgun. But the Sweet Business' maximum rate of fire that becomes something like 360 to 950 when fully revved, will utterly MELT any Guardian who stays at least two to a single SECOND in your sights. In fact, a youtuber did some testing and it takes under a second almost.

Not to mention the Sweet Business will automatically reload and refill upon picking up a Primary ammo block. However, Sweet Business is something that combines with specific things, and main something that is the Titan with Actium War-Rig. You will get somewhat to 15 bullets trickling back into your Sweet Business every second, elongating the gun's firing time to what is essentially a good two minutes or so, or even three.

Originally posted by dragon864789:

so which one is better in general and why?
and what is the pro and cons for both? with or without its cataylst

With catalysts, Sweet Business will generate orbs on kill, and get a new perk: Serious Business. When the weapon is fully spun up, you take notably less flinch damage.

For Tommy's Matchbook, it simply makes it so you regenerate health faster when, 'Ignition Trigger', is active. Basically, it's sustained fire. HOWEVER, I tried it with a low recovery Titan, and it almost has NO boost if you have low recovery, as the Ignition-Trigger after stopping fire will last for roughly a second to half a second.. from what I noticed, anyway.

So I would definitely suggest Sweet Business all around. Use Tommy's Matchbook if you want, but you should try to make sure you cover your to-be-gone health via Warlock healing rifts or healing abilities and Titan overshields.

EDIT: Bottom Tree Arc or Bottom Tree Solar Titans work well with the Sweet Business/Actium combination that I call the, 'Gunner', playstyle. You gain a damage buff via the bottom arc melee, or the bottom tree solar's Sunspot, which can put your Sweet Business up to a standard of 2K/2.4K per hit, roughly around those lines. Also, if you can, have a Warlock friend to place Ward of Dawn or Empowering Rift, or Noble Rounds from Lumina, the damage buff for Sweet Business inside those boosts becomes insane with the consistent damage.

[dragon864789]

Originally posted by Knight-16:

Sweet Business' catalyst is a random drop if i recall right, which I got mine from a Nightfall Strike.

Sweet Business I would argue is superior in the case that Tommy's Matchbook will essentially drain your health to half when using consistent fire.. yes, there is a higher damage increase, but it does require closer range, of which combined with your sacrificed health could be.. but at most, you barely get 1K of extra damage with the standard 1.2K or so.

Sweet Business will generally deal 900-950 non-crit and 1K/1.2K crit per bullet, combined with roughly 1,050 ammo overall in the weapon, it can deliver what is essentially a powerhouse of damage over several seconds. Players rarely use it because they generally want something that kills instantly, ie, a shotgun. But the Sweet Business' maximum rate of fire that becomes something like 360 to 950 when fully revved, will utterly MELT any Guardian who stays at least two to a single SECOND in your sights. In fact, a youtuber did some testing and it takes under a second almost.

Not to mention the Sweet Business will automatically reload and refill upon picking up a Primary ammo block. However, Sweet Business is something that combines with specific things, and main something that is the Titan with Actium War-Rig. You will get somewhat to 15 bullets trickling back into your Sweet Business every second, elongating the gun's firing time to what is essentially a good two minutes or so, or even three.

Originally posted by dragon864789:

so which one is better in general and why?
and what is the pro and cons for both? with or without its cataylst

With catalysts, Sweet Business will generate orbs on kill, and get a new perk: Serious Business. When the weapon is fully spun up, you take notably less flinch damage.

For Tommy's Matchbook, it simply makes it so you regenerate health faster when, 'Ignition Trigger', is active. Basically, it's sustained fire. HOWEVER, I tried it with a low recovery Titan, and it almost has NO boost if you have low recovery, as the Ignition-Trigger after stopping fire will last for roughly a second to half a second.. from what I noticed, anyway.

So I would definitely suggest Sweet Business all around. Use Tommy's Matchbook if you want, but you should try to make sure you cover your to-be-gone health via Warlock healing rifts or healing abilities and Titan overshields.

EDIT: Bottom Tree Arc or Bottom Tree Solar Titans work well with the Sweet Business/Actium combination that I call the, 'Gunner', playstyle. You gain a damage buff via the bottom arc melee, or the bottom tree solar's Sunspot, which can put your Sweet Business up to a standard of 2K/2.4K per hit, roughly around those lines. Also, if you can, have a Warlock friend to place Ward of Dawn or Empowering Rift, or Noble Rounds from Lumina, the damage buff for Sweet Business inside those boosts becomes insane with the consistent damage.

hmm interesting but since i like guns that shoot like mad and keep on shooting (as sweet business is) but im always top tree void titan (the one with sheild or bubble thingy)

also is tommy better pvp or pve?

what other exotic is as good as sweet business if not better? that you can keep firing ...tho ther is suro with actium rig

[The Infinite Archiver]

Depends, Primary Exotics, like maybe Ace of Spades, Bad Juju, Outbreak Perfected, Monte Carlo, Dead Man's, but they're not exactly based (except Ace of Spades/Dead Man's) around super-high damage. Bad Juju adds super on kill, Outbreak is a wierd case on it's own, Monte Carlo is based around players who like to use melee, etc.

To be honest, comparing Sweet Business is more so going to be like a question, "Do I want consistent damage or fire, or use weapons that operate more differently, such as instantaneous damage?" Jotunn is a good example of this. It's a Fusion Rifle that shoots a powerful, miniature rocket that tracks targets and explodes when hitting them. It can be deadly, one-shot Guardians almost no matter how much overshield they have, and can be rather powerful for, 'consistent but delayed', damage.

Unfortunately, you can only get 20/22 ammo max for Jotunn at one time. Jotunn is also a Special Energy weapon. There's Xenophage as well, but that's Heavy, and it has it's own way of working.

[dragon864789]

Originally posted by Knight-16:

Depends, Primary Exotics, like maybe Ace of Spades, Bad Juju, Outbreak Perfected, Monte Carlo, Dead Man's, but they're not exactly based (except Ace of Spades/Dead Man's) around super-high damage. Bad Juju adds super on kill, Outbreak is a wierd case on it's own, Monte Carlo is based around players who like to use melee, etc.

To be honest, comparing Sweet Business is more so going to be like a question, "Do I want consistent damage or fire, or use weapons that operate more differently, such as instantaneous damage?" Jotunn is a good example of this. It's a Fusion Rifle that shoots a powerful, miniature rocket that tracks targets and explodes when hitting them. It can be deadly, one-shot Guardians almost no matter how much overshield they have, and can be rather powerful for, 'consistent but delayed', damage.

Unfortunately, you can only get 20/22 ammo max for Jotunn at one time. Jotunn is also a Special Energy weapon. There's Xenophage as well, but that's Heavy, and it has it's own way of working.

i meant for exotic guns that you can shoot alot with, just as tommy and sweet business and depbatable on huckleberry

i mean bad juju seems like a next on my list, since it will be an upgrade from huckleberry

but for the sake of exotics that shoot alot what other ones are good, cuz there is suro but im not sure if its even good?

[Illusive Soul]

i only use Tommy match book when i want to play dying ,it pair really well with warlock.

[The Infinite Archiver]

Well, there is Huckleberry, but it requires concentration and you have to chain kills without ever stopping in firing the gun. I'd say Dead Man's Tale but it's a single-fire weapon that chains critical shots. SUROS Regime but it's.. meh? Vigilance Wing, though it's aimed towards survivability.

There's also Riskrunner, Hard Light, Heir Apparent. A bunch of rapid-fire based weaponry.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by dragon864789:

i meant for exotic guns that you can shoot alot with, just as tommy and sweet business and depbatable on huckleberry

i mean bad juju seems like a next on my list, since it will be an upgrade from huckleberry

but for the sake of exotics that shoot alot what other ones are good, cuz there is suro but im not sure if its even good?

you might like Risk Runner,but that thing only good when you facing arc damage enemy.

[The Infinite Archiver]

Riskrunner, you could alternatively go an Arc subclass and throw a grenade down under yourself.