Why would i farm for adept weapons?

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

Imagine farming very difficult end game activities especially trials, for weeks if not months to get a god roll adept weapon.. to then have to bin it anywhere from 8-12 months later hahahah what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke. No one cares about your content or weapons anymore, you have ruined the biggest reason to play this game.

Also remember solstice gear? remember how hard and time consuming it was to get the white glow effect and then not only that but to farm for high stat roll pieces? Yeah all of those armor pieces get deleted next season so get screwed idiots that farmed for that! Thanks Bungie!!

Someone please explain..

[Nakos]

Sometime this year they're supposed to be introducing a transmog system, so ... any armor you have in your collections can be used for visual appearance.

As for sunsetting in general? The game is a looter-shooter ARPG. Most games of this type have some sort of obsolescence system. The conceptual idea is that one of the primary carrots of gameplay is that the next drop might end up being an upgrade. If you never need any drops because you already have the best gear ... then a major gameplay element is eliminated.

I'm not defending that mind you, just explaining the concept.

In Path of Exile (for example), seasons are also 3 months long, at the end of every season, you have to start from scratch, with a level one character, and with zero gear. (No existing character is eligible to play in the new season challenge league). So ... people who play PoE have to rebuild their characters and reacquire any relevant gear they want every season.

Most ARPGs do something like that.

[MOSLEY]

Yeah, IDK why people are talking about this as if it isn't how games have always worked.

You level to level cap. Gear drops at the level cap. The next expansion comes out and the level cap is raised. Old gear is still at the old cap and you have to get new gear from the new expansion... Pretty standard stuff.

Most games like this don't even have an infusion system, making gear even more temporary.

Why would you farm for new gear? Why would you do anything? Nothing lasts forever.

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Nakos:

Sometime this year they're supposed to be introducing a transmog system, so ... any armor you have in your collections can be used for visual appearance.

As for sunsetting in general? The game is a looter-shooter ARPG. Most games of this type have some sort of obsolescence system. The conceptual idea is that one of the primary carrots of gameplay is that the next drop might end up being an upgrade. If you never need any drops because you already have the best gear ... then a major gameplay element is eliminated.

I'm not defending that mind you, just explaining the concept.

In Path of Exile (for example), seasons are also 3 months long, at the end of every season, you have to start from scratch, with a level one character, and with zero gear. (No existing character is eligible to play in the new season challenge league). So ... people who play PoE have to rebuild their characters and reacquire any relevant gear they want every season.

Most ARPGs do something like that.

I just can't understand it personally, i look at it like a game such as Borderlands which shares a few of the same gameplay elements. Just because i have the " best " weapons doesn't mean i don't want to get more weapons and cycle them whenever i feel the need, people should have the choice to use whatever they want and be allowed to be effective not just be forced to use only new content weapons for new content. I liked my quirky old weapons that had only 1 perk slot, yes they were bad and many weapons out perform them but they were unique. I literally couldn't tell you any reason to use anything other than the Ikelos Smg, either a greande launcher like Witherhoard or sniper like Izanagis and a heavy grenade launcher.

Likewise i can't tell you the difference between Berengers memory, Interface, Blast Batue and the rest.. they are all identical weapons with very similar perks but all have different gear caps..

TL;DR People want to farm weapons to collect them not farm to dismantle in the coming seasons.

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Yeah, IDK why people are talking about this as if it isn't how games have always worked.

You level to level cap. Gear drops at the level cap. The next expansion comes out and the level cap is raised. Old gear is still at the old cap and you have to get new gear from the new expansion... Pretty standard stuff.

Most games like this don't even have an infusion system, making gear even more temporary.

Why would you farm for new gear? Why would you do anything? Nothing lasts forever.

You are missing the point, why would you do the hardest content the game has to offer for large periods of time to just get a weapon that starts a countdown to deletion the minute you get it, that is not rewarding. You might as well just not do said content and use whatever weapons you have because who cares

[luxon001]

Originally posted by Really bad and also n00b:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Yeah, IDK why people are talking about this as if it isn't how games have always worked.

You level to level cap. Gear drops at the level cap. The next expansion comes out and the level cap is raised. Old gear is still at the old cap and you have to get new gear from the new expansion... Pretty standard stuff.

Most games like this don't even have an infusion system, making gear even more temporary.

Why would you farm for new gear? Why would you do anything? Nothing lasts forever.

You are missing the point, why would you do the hardest content the game has to offer for large periods of time to just get a weapon that starts a countdown to deletion the minute you get it, that is not rewarding. You might as well just not do said content and use whatever weapons you have because who cares

1 year is a pretty long period of time. By the time it ticks out ill probably find a gun i like more. The only thing sunsetting took from me really was randys throwing knife and my armor, which ill just transmog next season.
Dunno how you guys last using the same gun for so long.

[RYZEN]

Your life is too short to keep playing games you dont like. Period. Move on. Best thing you can do for yourself.

Its not your fault why the dev do what they do. Its their product.

[MOSLEY]

Interesting that you reference Borderlands, which raises the level cap every time a new piece of content comes out and doesn't allow you to infuse weapons up to a higher level...

Why would you farm for a weapon when you might stop playing the game at some point? Why upgrade your PC when they'll just release new hardware again in a few years?

I think it's you who is missing the point. Nothing in life is permanent. The only difference here is that you can see the expiration date.

[Goosetave]

The problem is that in destiny's case, weapons have an identity beyond the stats. That's why it's a good shooter, AND a good looter. I liked my perfect paradox a lot, not just because of how it performed, but because of how it looked, sounded, and felt. And now i have to see it become obsolete for the SECOND time. Sure, i can use any other kinetic rapid-fire shotgun and i'll get virtually the same results, but it won't fill the gap, it won't feel the same. My favorite shotgun will still be gone. That's where destiny differs from PoE or other games like that, gear isn't just a stat that's replaced. People don't want to use the same guns forever, when there's new stuff they usually go for it, try it out and if they like it they use it. They just don't want their favorite loot to be taken away.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by Goosetave:

The problem is that in destiny's case, weapons have an identity beyond the stats. That's why it's a good shooter, AND a good looter. I liked my perfect paradox a lot, not just because of how it performed, but because of how it looked, sounded, and felt. And now i have to see it become obsolete for the SECOND time. Sure, i can use any other kinetic rapid-fire shotgun and i'll get virtually the same results, but it won't fill the gap, it won't feel the same. My favorite shotgun will still be gone. That's where destiny differs from PoE or other games like that, gear isn't just a stat that's replaced. People don't want to use the same guns forever, when there's new stuff they usually go for it, try it out and if they like it they use it. They just don't want their favorite loot to be taken away.

The issue is that if you look at the data, people don’t use the new weapons unless they’re objectively better which results in power creep.

[Goosetave]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by Goosetave:

The problem is that in destiny's case, weapons have an identity beyond the stats. That's why it's a good shooter, AND a good looter. I liked my perfect paradox a lot, not just because of how it performed, but because of how it looked, sounded, and felt. And now i have to see it become obsolete for the SECOND time. Sure, i can use any other kinetic rapid-fire shotgun and i'll get virtually the same results, but it won't fill the gap, it won't feel the same. My favorite shotgun will still be gone. That's where destiny differs from PoE or other games like that, gear isn't just a stat that's replaced. People don't want to use the same guns forever, when there's new stuff they usually go for it, try it out and if they like it they use it. They just don't want their favorite loot to be taken away.

The issue is that if you look at the data, people don’t use the new weapons unless they’re objectively better which results in power creep.

I don't disagree that this is indeed an issue, but i don't believe that sunsetting fixes it. It won't change that people will still use the best loadout available at a given time, just like they did before. If next season's weapons aren't better in some aspect than last season's offerings, people still won't use them. To properly adress that, guns would have to sunset not after a year but a single season, further making them into a commodity, and not an aspirationnal pursuit.

[R A Z E R]

Don't worry, trials adept weapons will be even less worth the time to go for (outside of the shotgun) when GM nightfalls are going to have adept weapons as well.

[Nakos]

Originally posted by Really bad and also n00b:

I just can't understand it personally, i look at it like a game such as Borderlands which shares a few of the same gameplay elements. Just because i have the " best " weapons doesn't mean i don't want to get more weapons and cycle them whenever i feel the need, people should have the choice to use whatever they want and be allowed to be effective not just be forced to use only new content weapons for new content. I liked my quirky old weapons that had only 1 perk slot, yes they were bad and many weapons out perform them but they were unique. I literally couldn't tell you any reason to use anything other than the Ikelos Smg, either a greande launcher like Witherhoard or sniper like Izanagis and a heavy grenade launcher.

Well, with regard to Borderlands, bear in mind that it's a static story, and it's capped (at level 50). Also bear in mind that the later games in the series BL2, BL:TPS (and presumably BL3 as well, although I haven't played it (because Randy and 2K managed to piss me off with the whole Epic exclusive thing)), use levels to force obsolescence. By the time BL2 hit the ground ... a level 10 Ukempt Harold is pretty much obsolete by level 15.

So... Destiny 2 is a service style game, that uses seasons.

With a seasonal structure, you have to refresh things. And either that means endless pushing the levels up (and power creep) like in say ... World of Warcraft (and eventually necessitates level squishing too to keep the game engine functional), or ... it means some form of obsolescence.

I understand why they do it, but you're right, generally no one ever likes it.

[Sieghart]

"Also remember solstice gear? remember how hard and time consuming it was to get the white glow effect and then not only that but to farm for high stat roll pieces?"

I thought it was pretty easy. Just play the game and with time profit.

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Sieghart:

"Also remember solstice gear? remember how hard and time consuming it was to get the white glow effect and then not only that but to farm for high stat roll pieces?"

I thought it was pretty easy. Just play the game and with time profit.

No, not just play the game. Play this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mode, pray to RNG that you get a box to open and then pray to RNG once again that you get A) the piece you need and B) a good stat roll.

Sure, super easy

[Sieghart]

Originally posted by Really bad and also n00b:

Originally posted by Sieghart:

"Also remember solstice gear? remember how hard and time consuming it was to get the white glow effect and then not only that but to farm for high stat roll pieces?"

I thought it was pretty easy. Just play the game and with time profit.

No, not just play the game. Play this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mode, pray to RNG that you get a box to open and then pray to RNG once again that you get A) the piece you need and B) a good stat roll.

Sure, super easy

Uh yeah, I was getting boxes and pieces of solstice gear like they were candy. Dunno what you were doing, but I never had a problem farming for anything I needed.

Edit: Maybe because I understood and accepted that it would take loads of runs to achieve things. Cause ya know, this is an online game and you don't get instant gratification in less than 5 playthroughs of a game mode.