5950 / 6900 XT = awful performance

[AMD718]

With my old rig (i7 2600K and 1080 Ti) I was getting > 100 FPS at all time @ 1440p. Now, with my 5950x and 6900 XT, I'm getting significantly worse performance @ 1440p than my old rig. My CPU is practically idle and my GPU is not heating up enough to even turn on the fan. Maybe getting 70 to 90 FPS. For reference, my Timespy score is 20.6K, so about what an overclocked 3090 would get. I guess this game just runs like crap on AMD?

[DCR]

On my ryzen computers i tend to disable SMT (HT) for gaming, and leave it on for anything else. Memory Timings and bandwidth also matter quite a bit. Still prefer 1080 TI rig for gaming. Can't just find a good motherboard for am4 that supports proper 10GB features and enough pci-e ports at the x570.

Recent Samsung DDR4 supports trrd_s & trrd_l 3 and 5 respectively, which means essentially faster performance for the bandwidth u have, compared to older. I even outperformed my older Apex VI x299 motherboard with that, even when using a slower mothberboard and on paper slow ram. samsung 2666 vs g-skill 3600. So it matters quite a bit.

Recent drivers are also a bit messy, i find often that high quality or not doing a thing, is better then fiddling with it. On either nvidia or amd. Nvidia's very latest driver also made that absolutely clear but not sure on amd side atm.

There is also a "thread" tweak for processes for windows platforum you can do, tho not sure what you're using. Look up svc split threshold.

If you can't get it going, i would actually go back, and just keep the money till DDR5 that hopefully comes later this year. It will be the best upgrade since 2017. As we will have simultaneous write and read operations, which will be *insane* for gaming. Can't stress that enough. + ECC support at least so far on paper.

[AMD718]

Appreciate the reply, but not sure how it relates to my post. There is nothing wrong with my memory bandwidth (64GB, 2x32 3600 @ (3600-17-19-19-36-60-1T), which yields 55 GB/s and 61 ns (per AIDA 64). Disabling SMT would have no effect here, as the processor is basically idle. Single core clocks are 5.05 GHz. There's also nothing wrong with my mobo (B550 Aorus Master). In any case, this is clearly a software issue. The real question is, it is driver or application? I lean toward application because I see similar results in Crysis 3 and that was even when I had my 1080 Ti. Fortunately, the performance issue with Crysis 3 could be mitigated with the 1080 Ti by enabling an advanced driver option (ultra low latency mode). Haven't found an equivalent workaround on AMD.

[mark1971]

Did you un-/install your latest driver with DDU in safe mode?

[AMD718]

Originally posted by Stardust:

Did you un-/install your latest driver with DDU in safe mode?

Of course. Also, this issue is being reported by many other users and is even acknowledged by Bungie. Guess I should have searched more before posting.

[mark1971]

Okay. Hopefully it will be fixed.

[AKOOMA]

AMD have great cpu's.

Their GPU's are trash, on paper they are great but tend to have horrendous performance on select games. From this post I am guessing Destiny is one of them

[Flapdrol]

Did you try setting the windows power plan to "high performance"? That should keep the cpu from going into these extreme powersaving states that take a few ms getting out of.

could also try disabling game mode, game bar and the game dvr if you haven't already.

if all that doesn't work maybe use wattman to force gpu clocks to be constant as well.

[AMD718]

Originally posted by Flapdrol:

Did you try setting the windows power plan to "high performance"? That should keep the cpu from going into these extreme powersaving states that take a few ms getting out of.

could also try disabling game mode, game bar and the game dvr if you haven't already.

if all that doesn't work maybe use wattman to force gpu clocks to be constant as well.

Power plan is already at "High performance". Cinebench r23 is 1640/29500. FireStrike Ultra is currently 24th in world (https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/fire+strike+3dmark+score+ultra+preset/version+1.1/1+gpu). AKA, it's a beast. There's nothing slow or suboptimal in terms of CPU overclocking, RAM overclocking, GPU overclocking, or Windows OS config. This is simply a software issue with D2, in its current state, when matched up to RDNA2, with its current drivers.

[AMD718]

Originally posted by AKOOMA:

AMD have great cpu's.

Their GPU's are trash, on paper they are great but tend to have horrendous performance on select games. From this post I am guessing Destiny is one of them

I've switched back and forth between NVIDIA and AMD GPUs many times over the years. My 1080 Ti was a great card, but had issues with certain games from time to time. This is the nature of PC computing. To say that AMD GPUs are categorically trash, is categorically wrong. The RDNA2 silicon is more efficient than Ampere and trails only in RT capability. Having "horrendous performance on select games" would be a driver/application issue, and not speak to the quality or capabilities of the GPU.

[toot]

People who say AMD gpu's are trash are newbies to PC gaming lmao. They were the kings

(well ati anyway)

[AMD718]

Originally posted by toot:

People who say AMD gpu's are trash are newbies to PC gaming lmao. They were the kings

(well ati anyway)

Microsoft and Sony use these trash AMD GPUs in their mass market consoles, sold by the millions (Playstation and Xbox ... Maybe you've heard of them) because obviously they wanted to use trash GPUs to piss off all the gamers.

[Awkwurdd]

Doubt it is the cause of your issue but i was getting horrible performance with my 5700xt until i completely disabled depth of field , my card was crippled for some reason

[AMD718]

Originally posted by Awkwurdd:

Doubt it is the cause of your issue but i was getting horrible performance with my 5700xt until i completely disabled depth of field , my card was crippled for some reason

Thanks, but that had no effect. I was able to improve performance by setting "<cvar name="force_enable_multi_threaded_render_submit" value="1" />" in \AppData\Roaming\Bungie\DestinyPC\prefs\cvars.xml. Performance is now perfect, but it introduces game-breaking graphical glitches. Hopefully bungie will fix soon.

[AKOOMA]

Originally posted by AMD718:

Originally posted by AKOOMA:

AMD have great cpu's.

Their GPU's are trash, on paper they are great but tend to have horrendous performance on select games. From this post I am guessing Destiny is one of them

I've switched back and forth between NVIDIA and AMD GPUs many times over the years. My 1080 Ti was a great card, but had issues with certain games from time to time. This is the nature of PC computing. To say that AMD GPUs are categorically trash, is categorically wrong. The RDNA2 silicon is more efficient than Ampere and trails only in RT capability. Having "horrendous performance on select games" would be a driver/application issue, and not speak to the quality or capabilities of the GPU.

This is what i mean, some games just do not care about amd. Wheras all games work well with nvidia

[Wafflebutter]

Originally posted by AMD718:

With my old rig (i7 2600K and 1080 Ti) I was getting > 100 FPS at all time @ 1440p. Now, with my 5950x and 6900 XT, I'm getting significantly worse performance @ 1440p than my old rig. My CPU is practically idle and my GPU is not heating up enough to even turn on the fan. Maybe getting 70 to 90 FPS. For reference, my Timespy score is 20.6K, so about what an overclocked 3090 would get. I guess this game just runs like crap on AMD?

Its a known issue, AMD and Bungie are well aware of it, and have been for a while, sadly we havent heard anything from Bungie since January. I run a 5900x/6900xt rig as well, D2 is the ONLY game I have any really issues with.