I'm so sick of hand cannons in PvP

[Doggo]

It's literally all I am killed by. Just 3 shot across the map. No fun allowed. PvP is actual garbage.

[Mister Wiggles]

You rarely see anyone actually call handcannons out. I kinda agree to a certain extent too. Handcannons have been meta for as long as I've played with a brief jump to an auto rifle meta that the sweats instantly wanted to be gone because it wasn't what they liked.

Handcannon meta will never go away, the guns themselves are perfect for 1v1's and with the right perks will snowball. What destiny needs to fix the stale weapon meta is bigger maps.

[fwwm]

Bungie have already said that Handcannons are Destiny's 'lightsabers' and are a key component of the game's identity; as such, handcannons will never be not be good. why do you think there are so many exotic handcannons?

[Doggo]

Originally posted by hemddd:

Bungie have already said that Handcannons are Destiny's 'lightsabers' and are a key component of the game's identity; as such, handcannons will never be not be good. why do you think there are so many exotic handcannons?

Do you remember where you heard/read that? I think that's quite interesting

[Alien Behind The Door]

The PVP in this game is boring. It hand holds. You get constant radar, Broken guns. I come top with so many kills when I use hand cannons.
These people who only use hand cannons though would get destroyed on any other FPS game.

Don't forget to mention the autoaim the guns have, even with a mouse.
People that are triggered by facts will reply to this.

[Legion]

Originally posted by Doggo:

Originally posted by Apple_Sauce:

sounds like you just need to get better at pvp.

The age old "git gud", well done, great contribution.

"I hate this thing that's extremely prominent in the meta for this game's PVP"
What contribution did you want OTHER than being told to just get over it or stop playing? You didn't even ask for feedback or anything, you just came here to ♥♥♥♥♥. Shut up.

[Snow Miser]

Originally posted by stupid:

Traveler's Chosen is busted in the right hands this season

Most of what you said was good, but this right here? That's some Titanic, Grade A Cap.

[Andrea Honeybee]

Originally posted by 76561198048189899:

It's literally all I am killed by. Just 3 shot across the map. No fun allowed. PvP is actual garbage.

do you expect anything to actually be done about it? if so, then you are just fooling yourself. something tells me, that if everyone started using nothing but scout rifles, or pulse rifles, or shotguns, or whatever weapon... you would just complain about those weapons instead.

Its not a matter of getting good, its a matter of perception. just dont let it get to you.

[Doggo]

Originally posted by Hello Legion:

Originally posted by Doggo:

The age old "git gud", well done, great contribution.

"I hate this thing that's extremely prominent in the meta for this game's PVP"
What contribution did you want OTHER than being told to just get over it or stop playing? You didn't even ask for feedback or anything, you just came here to ♥♥♥♥♥. Shut up.

"I don't like the thing you said in response to the Ad Hominem fallacy, so I'm going to attack you in response" Well done.

People commenting have been helpful or have been giving meaningful opinions.

[Doggo]

Originally posted by Snow Miser:

Originally posted by stupid:

Traveler's Chosen is busted in the right hands this season

Most of what you said was good, but this right here? That's some Titanic, Grade A Cap.

This is what I can find on Traveller's chosen this season... It's PvE though
https://youtu.be/9amUltEsyTM

PvP related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMFRpi86PbY

[Doggo]

Originally posted by Andrea Honeybee:

Originally posted by 76561198048189899:

It's literally all I am killed by. Just 3 shot across the map. No fun allowed. PvP is actual garbage.

Its not a matter of getting good, its a matter of perception. just dont let it get to you.

I definitely agree with this.



"do you expect anything to actually be done about it? if so, then you are just fooling yourself. something tells me, that if everyone started using nothing but scout rifles, or pulse rifles, or shotguns, or whatever weapon... you would just complain about those weapons instead."

This is not what game balance is. No weapon class should be dominant in majority of use cases. Hand cannons have range, stopping power, excellent aim assist and bullet magnetism. Just look at the most used weapons: https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/db/insights
All hand cannons and shotguns. They are absolutely dominating in PvP. I want to use other weapons for catalysts, quests and just general variety but if they are noncompetitive then what's the point?

[Doggo]

Originally posted by Kethriss:

Originally posted by Doggo:

"I don't like the thing you said in response to the Ad Hominem fallacy, so I'm going to attack you in response" Well done.

People commenting have been helpful or have been giving meaningful opinions.

Can y’all learn to actually use ad hominem correctly? Ad Hominem means you’re ignoring the argument to attack something unrelated about the person making the argument. “I think the color blue is best” “Yeah well you’re ugly and smell bad”.

“Git gud” is crass but it’s not an ad hominem, it’s not attacking you, it’s a crude way of saying “if you can’t overcome an item/weapon/mechanic/enemy/etc in a game, then you just need to stop complaining and get better because there’s always room for improvement, you’re not as good as you think you are.”

And that literally applies here. If you can’t beat people just because they have hand cannons, it’s not a hand cannon issue, it’s a player skill issue. Hand cannons are never not going to be good because they are medium range precision weapons, and when the majority of engagements are going to naturally be close to medium range, hand cannons will always be relevant, but that doesn’t mean they are unbeatable. Even if they got nerfed, they’d just be replaced by auto rifles as the medium range option, which happened, and people despised it more than they despise hand cannons. So unless you want to see two entire archetypes gutted only for the MIDA meta to come back, then I’d suggest just accepting hand cannons and learning to play around them, because once you do, it’s pathetically easy to outclass somebody using one just by playing to your weapon’s strengths better.

I'm not trying to be provocative but surely during the auto rifle meta people should have just tried to outplay their opponents rather than complain and get them nerfed. Surely by equipping a sniper and out ranging. (I know that this is a wild statement but I am trying to make a point)

I feel as though it is too easy to dismiss my criticisms of the meta with variations of "git gud". However I do appreciate the advice and I am trying to listen to it, especially about the gnawing hunger rolls.

According to destiny tracker https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/db/insights out of the top 15 weapons used in PvP, 2 snipers, 1 linear fusion (which is understandable for the catalyst), the mythoclast and 4 shotguns and 7 are hand cannons. They are clearly dominate and for good reason. Why am I the one that needs to improve more to counter them while anyone with an exotic cipher and ascendant shard grab an ace of spades or thorn and t-bag strafe to victory? I feel as though more can be done to make the PvP sandbox more diverse than just shotguns and hand cannons every game. It's frustrating being out DPS'ed especially while trying unlock catalysts, do quests. It's just not an enjoyable experience.

[Doggo]

Originally posted by iceink:

hc is fine, the last thing crucible needs is more catering to autos and shotguns and other low aim skill guns

scouts and snipers should honestly be way more effective than they are for the amount of effort and natural ability they require compared to low skill "one-click-i-win" button gls and shotguns or "hold-down-m1-wave-mouse-at-enemy" autos

I had very few decent games of iron banner last night, one of them surprisingly was with a scout rifle.
I feel HCs need to be brought in line with the other guns. They make up 7/15 most used guns in PvP right now.

[Floof]

Originally posted by Doggo:

It's literally all I am killed by. Just 3 shot across the map. No fun allowed. PvP is actual garbage.

I'm using terrabah and consistently fragging, I've been using nothing but smg's recently and I've been loving them and out shooting HC players in majority of my gunfights, I feel like you need to learn to play your range better and just land your shots tbh.

[vrooooom]

pvp in destiny is gone, no high skill. just AOE + shotguns and fusion rifles. more flashing lights for the kids the better the game is

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Rankless:

Originally posted by YousofMwiiU:

sounds like a u problem I never get killed by hand cannons XD

lol just like i never get killed by statis or shotgun

but a fired shotgun followed by a slide and punch to the face you will :D