shotguns destroying pvp.

[On General Principle]

especially felwinters lie.Pvp is no more fun and skill based.Everyone is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ape with shotgun that running on you...

[CurryGpuff]

Publicado originalmente por Cafe:

And before felwinters it was mindbenders, there's always going to be something people complain about..

Before mindbenders there is Lord of Wolves.

[Derpimus]

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[On General Principle]

Publicado originalmente por luxon001:

Publicado originalmente por Jones:

Isn't there always a meta?

Yes, but usually there are at least 3 - 4 options to pick from. Right now stasis is the by far the best subclass option, 120 rpm HC are by far the best primary option, felwinters is the superior shotgun, basically going into slug shotty range with 0 aim requiered, even then its damage falloff is small, and can drain your full shield at 10m, combined with the high movement offered by stasis, it makes everything else pointless.

There is always a meta but ones that are this superior to other options gotta go.

i think we done with this.But i really hate stasis and shotguns in this game :В

[Emurinus]

Just remove quickdraw on shotguns.

[R A Z E R]

Publicado originalmente por Pharaoh:

I begin to notice patterns in forums posts re: pvp and what's wrong with it. It's really never anything wrong with anything except for the player who's posting the complaint. lol man, what a comedy anymore.

Adjust yourself to the environment, don't expect the environment to adjust to your liking so that you can win.

I'm serious, besides, does sharing your rant publicly in the discussion forums REALLY make any bit of difference, whatsoever?

Alternatively, if you're really interested in complaining to the developer (of any game), submitting your concern in the Feedback & Suggestions forum is going to have far better chances of accomplishing the aforementioned than just ranting about it with your fellow gamers.

Exactly this.

[CastleGuy]

Publicado originalmente por Moon:

Shotgun aping looks like it does not require skill, but to be sucesfull at that you must be very neat. A crappy shotgun or a good one but without the proper perks will probably lead you to trading kills - you shotgun one and then you die. A proper shotgun play is almost on the same level of being good with hand cannon.

Your wrong. I use shotguns 90% of the time. This isn't true in the slightest, all you need is an ounce of positioning and it's a free 1 or 2 hit kill.

[Bluemenkranz]

Publicado originalmente por Emurinus:

Just remove quickdraw on shotguns.

If they brought shotguns down the level they were at in D1, people would lose their ♥♥♥♥ that their EZ kill sticks are gone

[luxon001]

Publicado originalmente por Warthain:

Publicado originalmente por luxon001:

Metas are a problem in every PvP game, people complain about it so the devs know its a problem, and here you are thinking you are "strong" for using weapons that give you a fat advantage over everyone else.

"Its always the weak that rant" Its always the meta abusers that think using crutch weapons makes them skilled, and then complain when the meta gets patched and threaten to leave the game like an idiot. I bet you found the old 180rpm Not forgotten to be balanced and started whinining about the forums throwing insults at those that wanted it to be patched.

The only issue with not forgotten was that pve carebears couldn't get it, they complained of all pvp pinacle weapons, recluse, mountaintop, all weapons they couldn't get they cried about it... until they either got nerfed until they become subpar or given for free to any ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that couldnt pvp for ♥♥♥♥.

Oh so it was balanced? Despite having the highest bullet magnetism, ridicoulous one hit kill range and the shortest primary TTK? Same for recluse and mountaintop, except recluse dominated pve as well.

Publicado originalmente por Warthain:

EVEN, if you couldnt put in the effort to get not forgotten, any half decent pvp'er could get luna's howl and it was a strong alternative if not better for some than NF, yes it was strong, like all strong weapons that require a huge amount of work to get should be...
i want eyes of tomorrow now, and i dont want to raid, fair if i get it for free like you can get NF for free right now?

NF was literally an upgraded lunas, and there were no alternatives to those hand cannons. Eyes of tommorrow is hardly a problem in pvp, and i never mentioned getting guns for free? Where did you dig that argument out of?

Publicado originalmente por Warthain:

if you going to be an entitled whiny ♥♥♥♥♥ then ill become one aswel, i wont touch pve and i want all the best loot, you wont touch pvp but youll get all the best loot, people nowdays are nothing but lazy entitled whiny crybabies.
Sometimes i wish we would be back in the 90's so devs would tell you guys to gfy's, and work for it if you want it.

This is the second dumbest paragraph i read in steam forums over the years. You are raging over here calling others crybabies because the (obviuosly OP) weapon you use got nerfed? You are either legally braindead or werent even alive in the 90s if you think thats how gamedev ever worked.

Go cry about the LGBT emblem instead, you seem like the type of person to start raging over stuff like that anyway.

[R A Z E R]

Publicado originalmente por luxon001:

Publicado originalmente por Warthain:

The only issue with not forgotten was that pve carebears couldn't get it, they complained of all pvp pinacle weapons, recluse, mountaintop, all weapons they couldn't get they cried about it... until they either got nerfed until they become subpar or given for free to any ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that couldnt pvp for ♥♥♥♥.

Oh so it was balanced? Despite having the highest bullet magnetism, ridicoulous one hit kill range and the shortest primary TTK? Same for recluse and mountaintop, except recluse dominated pve as well.

Publicado originalmente por Warthain:

EVEN, if you couldnt put in the effort to get not forgotten, any half decent pvp'er could get luna's howl and it was a strong alternative if not better for some than NF, yes it was strong, like all strong weapons that require a huge amount of work to get should be...
i want eyes of tomorrow now, and i dont want to raid, fair if i get it for free like you can get NF for free right now?

NF was literally an upgraded lunas, and there were no alternatives to those hand cannons. Eyes of tommorrow is hardly a problem in pvp, and i never mentioned getting guns for free? Where did you dig that argument out of?

Publicado originalmente por Warthain:

if you going to be an entitled whiny ♥♥♥♥♥ then ill become one aswel, i wont touch pve and i want all the best loot, you wont touch pvp but youll get all the best loot, people nowdays are nothing but lazy entitled whiny crybabies.
Sometimes i wish we would be back in the 90's so devs would tell you guys to gfy's, and work for it if you want it.

This is the second dumbest paragraph i read in steam forums over the years. You are raging over here calling others crybabies because the (obviuosly OP) weapon you use got nerfed? You are either legally braindead or werent even alive in the 90s if you think thats how gamedev ever worked.

Go cry about the LGBT emblem instead, you seem like the type of person to start raging over stuff like that anyway.

He has in a way a point though, players nowadays don't want to work for something... A huge amount of players nowadays want everything handed out to them on a silver platter without putting in the effort to get something... A grind shouldn't be years long yeah because that is way to much, a grind shouldn't also be like a few days of work that requires minimal effort.

[luxon001]

Publicado originalmente por R A Z E R:

Publicado originalmente por luxon001:

Oh so it was balanced? Despite having the highest bullet magnetism, ridicoulous one hit kill range and the shortest primary TTK? Same for recluse and mountaintop, except recluse dominated pve as well.



NF was literally an upgraded lunas, and there were no alternatives to those hand cannons. Eyes of tommorrow is hardly a problem in pvp, and i never mentioned getting guns for free? Where did you dig that argument out of?



This is the second dumbest paragraph i read in steam forums over the years. You are raging over here calling others crybabies because the (obviuosly OP) weapon you use got nerfed? You are either legally braindead or werent even alive in the 90s if you think thats how gamedev ever worked.

Go cry about the LGBT emblem instead, you seem like the type of person to start raging over stuff like that anyway.

He has in a way a point though, players nowadays don't want to work for something... A huge amount of players nowadays want everything handed out to them on a silver platter without putting in the effort to get something... A grind shouldn't be years long yeah because that is way to much, a grind shouldn't also be like a few days of work that requires minimal effort.

True, but thats not what i said, thats not even what this discussion is about either. And saying its a new issue doesnt work either, even back in D1 with vault of glass people wanted alternative ways to get mythoclast, matcmaking for raids etc. Not to mention the popularity of boosting services in destiny. Moreover the afromentioned meta guns werent even that hard to get, they had a small grind and a pretty low bar for a comp rank to get the guns, people wanted them nerfed, not to get them for free, because their existance effectively sunset all other weapons.

[R A Z E R]

Publicado originalmente por luxon001:

Publicado originalmente por R A Z E R:

He has in a way a point though, players nowadays don't want to work for something... A huge amount of players nowadays want everything handed out to them on a silver platter without putting in the effort to get something... A grind shouldn't be years long yeah because that is way to much, a grind shouldn't also be like a few days of work that requires minimal effort.

True, but thats not what i said, thats not even what this discussion is about either. And saying its a new issue doesnt work either, even back in D1 with vault of glass people wanted alternative ways to get mythoclast, matcmaking for raids etc. Not to mention the popularity of boosting services in destiny. Moreover the afromentioned meta guns werent even that hard to get, they had a small grind and a pretty low bar for a comp rank to get the guns, people wanted them nerfed, not to get them for free, because their existance effectively sunset all other weapons.

Wasn't saying that it's a new issue, it's been a thing for years but seems to becoming worse each year.. And it was more of because the person you replied to said 'people nowdays are nothing but lazy entitled whiny crybabies'

It was merely a response to that because in a way it counts for a lot of things such as not wanting to put in the effort and just whine after on the forums about how desperately people demand stuff to be given to them.

[Emurinus]

Publicado originalmente por Leliel:

Publicado originalmente por Emurinus:

Just remove quickdraw on shotguns.

If they brought shotguns down the level they were at in D1, people would lose their ♥♥♥♥ that their EZ kill sticks are gone

I don't even remember how strong/weak shotguns were back then. I left back when 1000 Yard Stare was still meta.

[Bluemenkranz]

Publicado originalmente por Emurinus:

Publicado originalmente por Leliel:

If they brought shotguns down the level they were at in D1, people would lose their ♥♥♥♥ that their EZ kill sticks are gone

I don't even remember how strong/weak shotguns were back then. I left back when 1000 Yard Stare was still meta.

No quickdraw and a much smaller OHK range after the original Felwinter fiasco, usually a 2 shot kill or shot+melee

[Emurinus]

Publicado originalmente por Leliel:

Publicado originalmente por Emurinus:

I don't even remember how strong/weak shotguns were back then. I left back when 1000 Yard Stare was still meta.

No quickdraw and a much smaller OHK range after the original Felwinter fiasco, usually a 2 shot kill or shot+melee

Now that you mention that, I guess I do recall a bit of that. I still think shotguns shouldn't have quickdraw though; they're already an instant fire weapon that does not require a lot of accuracy so they don't need super fast deploy times to boot.

[Bluemenkranz]

Publicado originalmente por Emurinus:

Publicado originalmente por Leliel:

No quickdraw and a much smaller OHK range after the original Felwinter fiasco, usually a 2 shot kill or shot+melee

Now that you mention that, I guess I do recall a bit of that. I still think shotguns shouldn't have quickdraw though; they're already an instant fire weapon that does not require a lot of accuracy so they don't need super fast deploy times to boot.

theyre panic weapons if someone messes up with poor positioning, and theyre also incredibly effective and high value low risk