DO NOT SPEEDRUN THE NIGHTFALL

[GoldenFox 51]

Do not speedrun in the 1020 ordeal for the love of god.. Especially if you just run
past the champions which only punishes everyone else with less loot from the boss...
And it's absolutely infuriating since I'm left to die and have the whole team wipe and force to start over at a checkpoint. ONLY SPEEDRUN IF YOU ARE IN A TEAM OF 3, DON'T DO IT IN MATCHMAKING.

[LoliNoxTan]

I agree with you. It is a ♥♥♥♥ move. 1020 is meant to be chill

Why would you skip them on 1020 anyway? They die in 1 second to Falling Guillotine... without stunning them

[Zach]

People are doing it so they can get Ciphers faster which I don't understand anyway since you can easily get them on the 750 NF.

[Kellion]

Are people still going for Ciphers? I thought everyone, and their gramps, have gotten the Ascendant Lens by now, as well as every possible roll combination for the 2 guns.

[Adventurer]

People play in different ways and at differents speeds.
For you, fighting all the adds might be the way to go.
For others, those are purely cosmetic (adds) so they make a sport of running past them.

But I do understand why you feel furious as soon as you're behind.
Whenever I play the Prophecy I am the guy that falls off the vehicle in the spirals part and has to face the respawn penalty.

[Kellion]

Originally posted by Adventurer:

People play in different ways and at differents speeds.
For you, fighting all the adds might be the way to go.
For others, those are purely cosmetic (adds) so they make a sport of running past them.

Uh, no. It's called being considerate. The less elite people that you leave behind are left to fend for themselves, most of the time, disastrously. All for what? So that you can feel good about yourself being able to solo it -- something you've already done a few thousand times?

[Adventurer]

Originally posted by Kellion:

Originally posted by Adventurer:

People play in different ways and at differents speeds.
For you, fighting all the adds might be the way to go.
For others, those are purely cosmetic (adds) so they make a sport of running past them.

Uh, no. It's called being considerate. The less elite people that you leave behind are left to fend for themselves, most of the time, disastrously. All for what? So that you can feel good about yourself being able to solo it -- something you've already done a few thousand times?

You're matched with very different players.
There are guardians that are low-leveled, miss the necessary mods and bring odd weapons. Those guardians progress extremely slow through the strike.
I have finished a handful strikes with such players. We're talking 50+ minutes and multiple fails.

I am very sorry but I am not waiting for them to kill all the adds.
(e.g.: It takes long to kill everything with an empty sword and makes nothing valuable drop.)
I don't think it is considerate to kill all the adds on my own, either.

If I started the Strike on my own I do usually push to get it over with.
If I was thrown into said Strike then I am likely to leave instead and have them run on at their pace (that is, I don't hijack oddball strikes).

[Kellion]

Originally posted by Adventurer:

Originally posted by Kellion:

Uh, no. It's called being considerate. The less elite people that you leave behind are left to fend for themselves, most of the time, disastrously. All for what? So that you can feel good about yourself being able to solo it -- something you've already done a few thousand times?

You're matched with very different players.
There are guardians that are low-leveled, miss the necessary mods and bring odd weapons. Those guardians progress extremely slow through the strike.
I have finished a handful strikes with such players. We're talking 50+ minutes and multiple fails.

I am very sorry but I am not waiting for them to kill all the adds.
(e.g.: It takes long to kill everything with an empty sword and makes nothing valuable drop.)
I don't think it is considerate to kill all the adds on my own, either.

If I started the Strike on my own I do usually push to get it over with.
If I was thrown into said Strike then I am likely to leave instead and have them run on at their pace (that is, I don't hijack oddball strikes).

Come now, Adventurer. We are still talking about a 1020, right? I always look to see who has the right mods for this week's modifiers and make sure at least 2 of us have them covered. That's why you don't run off on your own and possibly leave them unable to take down one type of Champions.

I'm not talking about a full clear of the whole strike of every enemy. Just sticking together and clear a path as you move towards the boss, as a team. And who knows, maybe even having a little bit of fun together!

[Mister Wiggles]

Eh it's not the playerbase that's at fault here, it's bungie. Players will always take efficiency over fun, hence why there are people running through it, they want ciphers and the double rewards mean that you aren't punished as hard as well.

Don't point the finger at the players go talk to bungie about it. This will always be the case when they have these events that reward meaningless grinding.

[Emil]

Nobody cares about 1020 rewards because they are bad

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by Pullaaaaa:

Nobody cares about 1020 rewards because they are bad

Then why play the 1020 NF? lol.

[Xillia]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by Pullaaaaa:

Nobody cares about 1020 rewards because they are bad

Then why play the 1020 NF? lol.

[Emil]

Originally posted by Xillia:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Then why play the 1020 NF? lol.

they play it for the decrypters, since 1020s are so reliable? I dont do 1020

[Adventurer]

Originally posted by Kellion:

Come now, Adventurer. We are still talking about a 1020, right? I always look to see who has the right mods for this week's modifiers and make sure at least 2 of us have them covered. That's why you don't run off on your own and possibly leave them unable to take down one type of Champions.

I'm not talking about a full clear of the whole strike of every enemy. Just sticking together and clear a path as you move towards the boss, as a team. And who knows, maybe even having a little bit of fun together!

Sure, we are (not in all points, but generally yes).

Let me phase it like this:
If your fellow guardians are well equipped and grasp what you're doing they will be fast enough that it's acceptable to stick together and benefit from it.
If your fellow guardians are poorly equipped and do not grasp what you're doing they will be so slow that it is best to run solo. Those are not my friends, it is not my first (explorative) run ... so there's nothing to gain.

I have seen all kinds of things in 1020 because that was what I ran most.
People with empty swords, people meleeing everything, people trying to force enemies down with a rift spirit ... you name it. I cannot believe that they are doing this to make me clear the strike for them. They're doing this to have fun.
That is fine by me but it doesn't include me either.

The same does apply for prophecy now only that I cannot run it alone.
There were quite a few guys that whenever possible shot the enemies last to create the wrong motes. Of course, they were telling me its not on purpose and they understand the mechanic. So I stay for a long time but it does not improve. We played 11 rounds of the boss (including wipes, many many written explanations...). Then they logged out.

I understand that this does sound somewhat bitter but that is how you come to speedrun (other than pride), I guess.

[Gnome d'War]

Everyone I've played a 1020 with who tried a speedrun died. The problem tends to take care of itself.

[Nanashi]

Originally posted by Adventurer:

People play in different ways and at differents speeds.
For you, fighting all the adds might be the way to go.
For others, those are purely cosmetic (adds) so they make a sport of running past them.

But I do understand why you feel furious as soon as you're behind.
Whenever I play the Prophecy I am the guy that falls off the vehicle in the spirals part and has to face the respawn penalty.

I get your point but that's a stupid argument in Nightfalls. You literally get less loot/ chance for exotics if you don't kill all the Champions.

You won't get the big weekly reward without clearing it completely (to be fair some Nightfalls don't work for this reward at all at this difficulty anyway)

If you don't need any of these three there is absolutely no point in doing Nightfalls. Might as well rush through a regular strike like any other person. It's faster, too.