Free to play players cant enjoy almost anything of the game

[StarmannHD]

title says it all
Beyond light removed everything that free to play players could grind and gave us a full price expansion that doenst give a third of the previous content. I really like D2 and play it from time to time, but now i cant do almost anything and I dont want to spend money on a dlc that isnt worth its price. Free to play feels like a demo for how much locked out of the game you feel

[mintTea]

I think this sorrt of debate should be on a bungie forum where they are likely to notice.

[Cad]

This game isnt worth a pennie they ruined destiny with this dlc stasis is easily the worst idea bungie has ever had and im not wasting my money on a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game where the developers really give 0 ♥♥♥♥♥ they made cruicible unplayable to anyone thinking of playing this game dont its a waste of time and any money you put into it.

[The_Mess]

Originally posted by Bud:

Maybe your head is hurting because it's so far up bungie's bum. This is the only logical reason they removed all the content -- because they thought there was too much free stuff for players. They wouldn't need to buy any dlcs or expansions with all the content that was available.

I don't buy the excuse that the game was taking up too much space or becoming too buggy and unoptimized. HDD space is generally not a problem for pc players and it's an MMO of course it's gonna be larger than non-MMO games because there's supposed to be more content. If they were worried about console players then they could have removed/made it optional for console players only. There was no reason to remove it for pc players.

As far as making the game more optimized and less buggy, well, we all know that was a load of crap.

Making the game f2p does not excuse them screwing their customers over by removing content especially for those that paid for it. And they did the same thing for D1? Holy hell this is not a company that cares about its game or players.

Lawl

Spot the person who has no fluffing idea what they're talking about.

1) HHD space is a problem for those use consoles and for PC users it can be a serious problem if you don't have the cash spare for more hard drives, particularly solid state ones. However the other part of the problem you know nothing about is that many players not have good internet or have to pay money per GB or a set data cap, so having the game made lesser space means it takes less time to download or avoids hitting the cap. Or in the case of console users, means they don't have to juggle HHD space as much.

2) Then there's the build time issues on Bungie's end, namely the larger the games total size, the longer it takes to build the game for every patch. Case in point, as that before this it took often a week to build the game before they could then produce the patch for players, which they've detailed in their reasoning for the removal of content. Add in all the elements of code that need checking, bug fixes, fixes for the fixes etc content reductions thus mean way less things to check, let alone unforeseen interactions. Thus frankly it sounds like a win in terms of getting broken stuff hotfixed sooner and less issues for Bungie on their end when building the game.

3) As for making separate versions - lolwut? Dev's already have enough problem's when it comes to producing builds for PC and the 3 consoles, each one takes extra time and work to maintain, provide servers for and patch. And each new one carries it's own added costs (bar cloud gaming, since those use PC's) on top. Which is why we probably wont see a D2 for either the PS5 and/or XBox Series X unless MS/Sony pays for them. Never mind breaking the PC version away for the console version just to please the FTP crowd, which doesn't generally pay for seasons or silver

4) As for how Stasis has been pretty hard in PVP - Bungie appears to love balancing classes and supers via user testing, as the same thing happened with the release of Forsaken and it's new additions. That and it takes time for people to come up with counters. Likewise, as for Stasis being available to FTP players - when Forsaken was released the new Supers were only available if you brought it.

Now as for more general FTP issue - the FTP base has always been a taster to tempt people to buy the DLC and seasons as Bungie needs people to do that to keep the game running and developed. As the FTP population (based on every other FTP game lawls) never really invests in the game money wise unless it uses abusive systems like Gacha, time limits or loot boxes to the point where the game can be financially sustainable unless it's got low running costs.

So then if can't take this, tough sh*t, because in when it comes to keeping the lights on with an MMO, money matters more than your whinging.

Besides, it's not like that much of a cost to buy older DLC or just wait for a sale etc, if you can justify the expense. Case in point, I've brought everything bar the base game while on welfare due to severe depression, by a) saving, b) budgeting and c) waiting for f*cking sales. Although with Beyond Light I did preorder, but then D2's keeping me well entertained (and sane/able to walk, skin picking problem pretty bad this year for obs reasons) at the moment.

[Keralis]

Originally posted by The_Mess:

Now as for more general FTP issue - the FTP base has always been a taster to tempt people to buy the DLC and seasons as Bungie needs people to do that to keep the game running and developed. As the FTP population (based on every other FTP game lawls) never really invests in the game money wise unless it uses abusive systems like Gacha, time limits or loot boxes to the point where the game can be financially sustainable unless it's got low running costs.

So then if can't take this, tough sh*t, because in when it comes to keeping the lights on with an MMO, money matters more than your whinging.

So many FTP mmo titles would tell you otherwise, and some were even here before D2, following
your ideas there is no way they kept the light for so long right ?
Now if you dislike FTP games fine, but stop assuming it's not a viable economic model.

[Baxxy.Nut]

Originally posted by Ski ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com:

Free to play, Strikes, Crucible, Trials of osiris, Nightfalls

I don't get why all F2P's are angry, Destiny 1 had this problem except you had to buy the base game and then the expansions... Just be glad the game is free to play in the first place jesus christ it's honestly hurting my head at this point.

No one is forcing you to buy ♥♥♥♥, just move on man...

to be fair, it is now basically a demo.

[Artorias]

Trials should never be free to play. Too many cheaters with it being open to all and peer to peer.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by PhellAsleep:

Originally posted by Skeleton:

Five raids, Menagerie, Black Armoury, Nightfalls, Heroic Story Missions, Flashpoints.
The first three offered gear that was still good before sunsetting was a thing, and the latter two offered an additional source of Powerful rewards.

Also Escalation Protocol. Reckoning, Whisper and Zero Hour missions, and worthwhile loot from activities like Blind Well and Altar of Sorrow.

In general, hunt for exotics.

[UnReaL]

Originally posted by Ski ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com:

Free to play, Strikes, Crucible, Trials of osiris, Nightfalls

I don't get why all F2P's are angry, Destiny 1 had this problem except you had to buy the base game and then the expansions... Just be glad the game is free to play in the first place jesus christ it's honestly hurting my head at this point.

No one is forcing you to buy ♥♥♥♥, just move on man...

PvP right now is impossible against stasis if you don't have it, Strikes are very few now considering they removed half of them, Nightfall some weeks (like this week) is inaccessible if it's a dlc strike, yeah not much left really. The New Light campaign can be done in a couple of hours if you get good drops along the way and that's the only other option apart from roaming around the world doing lost sectors/public events which get boring really fast. This game shouldn't be considered F2P and no, people shouldn't be glad that's it's advertised as one when it's not.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by UnReaL:

Originally posted by Ski ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com:

Free to play, Strikes, Crucible, Trials of osiris, Nightfalls

I don't get why all F2P's are angry, Destiny 1 had this problem except you had to buy the base game and then the expansions... Just be glad the game is free to play in the first place jesus christ it's honestly hurting my head at this point.

No one is forcing you to buy ♥♥♥♥, just move on man...

PvP right now is impossible against stasis if you don't have it,

Your opinion and I completely disagree with it. You people act like everyone always has infinite freeze abilities ready and that you only get killed by those. This is simply wrong and a dumb excuse.

[Nordblut]

Originally posted by StarmannHD:

Originally posted by Gradth:

buy the damn game and stop whining or go play fortnite.

not worth the money

"I want to play the game, but I don´t want to pay for it"

[UnReaL]

Originally posted by lolschrauber:

Originally posted by UnReaL:

PvP right now is impossible against stasis if you don't have it,

Your opinion and I completely disagree with it. You people act like everyone always has infinite freeze abilities ready and that you only get killed by those. This is simply wrong and a dumb excuse.

You have every right to disagree but that's the truth, every ability is basically a kill if you land it because you stay frozen for so long.

[UnReaL]

Originally posted by Nordblut:

Originally posted by StarmannHD:

not worth the money

"I want to play the game, but I don´t want to pay for it"

Yes excuse people for no wanting to pay for a FREE to play game. Bungie could do anything and you people would defend them, why buy ♥♥♥♥ when it will get removed like year 1 stuff did. No other company ever did ♥♥♥♥ like that, Bungie deserves all the hate they get and more, make the game pay to play again and stop advertising it as free.

[Derpimus]

Originally posted by Alxr666:

Was there really something to do in the other planets though? I still think free to play players should get access to all strikes and parts of season pass content which you do already, i'd go as far as to say that some season pass activities should be available too, i'm not sure if i reckon correctly but last season you could still focus umbral engrams to some extent and etc without the paid pass but nonetheless, with the changes Bungie planned, was there anything to do that was really worth your time in the planets removed that made it so outrageous to some? I doubt it.

Yes. There were TONS of things to do on the other planets. This was almost entirely the reason they delayed sunsetting the content for so long, when it came down to it they realized that so many people still had so much to do. And the game regularly sent you to those planets for quests and bounties, so it's not like you would never travel.
I hate seeing this as a defense for removing the majority of the game, especially since we gained basically nothing for it. The new expac is a joke, you just end up doing the same crap you did before and the drops are the same old junk. Except now they're worse because you can't power them up.

[trukr]

Originally posted by jbomb99 (YellowKat):

Woah... You're so wrong here I can already tell you never tried any.
There is alot of FTP games on the market and most are making money with ingame shop selling Cosmetics and/or Help to progress item (assuming it's no p2w).

Those games were designed from the start to be free to play. I have played some, if Eververse gets anything like what they have in free to play games, people here would spas out. They already have more than enough stuff to siphon off your cash. From the time it went "free to play" it's never been a fully free to play game, it's always been partially free to play, so demo might be correct. You can do this, you want more give us your money.

[trukr]

Originally posted by mintTea:

I think this sorrt of debate should be on a bungie forum where they are likely to notice.

WAIT, you think they would notice this if it was right under their nose? You have more faith in them than I do.