GREED is taking hold of this game..

[BurningWiki]

Bungie will remove 70% of free to play content, and than introduce new content but hides it behind a pay wall, in the form of paid DLC, this game used to be $60 dollar, and it was not worth that, so not many people bought it, now Destiny 2 is free but has a LOT of microtransactions and is becoming rapidly a freemium game!!, its not WORTH IT!!!. the game was not worth $60 dollar, that why it didnt do good, but now Bungie wants to nickle and dime money from us!..
now we dont spend 60 dollar for a full game, we spend way more than that, keepinmg up with all the paid dlc, paid seasonal pass, paid everything!!...

this game will loose a LOT of players, because of GREED

[Nordblut]

Op is a hypocrit, just take a look at his Warframe review.

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Messaggio originale di Delta:

Messaggio originale di Greedy Bungie liars:

First of all, Eververse was Bungie's idea, not Activision's.

Second, since Activision is gone Bungie has become greedier by the month.

And last but not least: Guys like you always amaze me. The level of mental gymnastics you are willing to apply just so you can keep sucking off your favorite corporation is unreal.

But yeah, poor indie devs at Bungie. Maybe read up a little on how much money they are making in a week just with a handful of Eververse items. It's millions in revenue, which for digital items almost equals profits.

Bungie is one of the richest studios out there, evidently with one of the most gullible fan bases in the universe that frankly deserves to be ripped off.

People like you are lost in life, and I feel sorry for you.

False. Eververse was 10000000% Activision, or are you forgetting that Destiny and Call of Duty both got Microtransactions at the same time? Funny how both of those at the time were owned by Activision.....

You're as blind as ever.

Regardless, having a live service game without a subscription fee and not having something like Eververse isn't feasible in the long run. The box price of the base game +expansions doesn't cut it, Arena .Net learned this with Guild Wars 2. The problem is that Eververse has gotten much worse since Activsion dumped Bungie.

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Messaggio originale di Delta:

Messaggio originale di Spr1ggan:

Regardless, having a live service game without a subscription fee and not having something like Eververse isn't feasible in the long run. The box price of the base game +expansions doesn't cut it, Arena .Net learned this with Guild Wars 2. The problem is that Eververse has gotten much worse since Activsion dumped Bungie.

Also False. Back when Bungie was under Activision's thumb Eververse required you to buy loot boxes(Bright Engrams), Eververse Armor sets were actual Armor and not Ornaments that could be used on any legendary armor set.
Also those armor sets were not duped protected so you could open 50 loot boxes and get 50 sets of gloves.
After Bungie left Activision Eververse turned to just buying the items you want instead of gambling for them and armor became Ornaments.
Please explain to me how that is worse?
Also Bungie has already announced and done what they said they would and are removing stuff from Eververse like the Prophecy Dungeon's Armor set that was gonna be in Eververse but was made 100% earnable through the Dungeon.

Only a delusional fanboi would believe that not only is Eververse better now but that it was Bungie that left Activision. Get real, Destiny had failed to meet it's predicted profit quotas from D1 all the way through to D2 and the split. It was Activision that didn't want a high budget product that couldn't meet targets when they already had WoW and CoD. Do you honestly think that Activsion would've just let Bungie go just because they wanted to while being contracted for 3 games?

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Messaggio originale di Delta:

Messaggio originale di Spr1ggan:

Only a delusional fanboi would believe that not only is Eververse better now but that it was Bungie that left Activision. Get real, Destiny had failed to meet it's predicted profit quotas from D1 all the way through to D2 and the split. It was Activision that didn't want a high budget product that couldn't meet targets when they already had WoW and CoD. Do you honestly think that Activsion would've just let Bungie go just because they wanted to while being contracted for 3 games?

.... if this is what you actually believe please stop drinking the koolaid, that ♥♥♥♥ WILL kill you eventually. I honestly think this advice won't even help... last piece of advice I will give you is just to move away from the heard and stop being a sheep... good luck with your life I guess.

You actually believe Bungie can do whatever they want and not have to follow contracts just because they're Bungie...

It's worse than we thought lads. Face it the only way they got out of that contract was because Activision didn't want what they considered to be dead weight anymore.

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Messaggio originale di Delta:

Messaggio originale di Spr1ggan:

You actually believe Bungie can do whatever they want and not have to follow contracts just because they're Bungie...

It's worse than we thought lads. Face it the only way they got out of that contract was because Activision didn't want what they considered to be dead weight anymore.

Uh... no, that's not remotely what happened. Bungie wanted out and paid the standard early contract cancellation fee.(You know that's a thing right? Doubt it though) Also if Activision didn't want Destiny why did they almost instantly put out job offers looking for a studio to make a game they themselves described as a "Destiny like FPS/MMO Hybrid game"

Same reason Ubisoft and EA tried it, the question... What if we get it right? *dollar signs spinning in their eyes*

Activision themselves said that it failed to meet financial expectations and that as soon as they found out Bungie were willing to take the publishing rights they got straight to work on a deal. If they wanted it so bad they would've fought to keep it or got lawyers involved, instead they couldn't get that deal done fast enough.

Also Destiny is not an FPS/MMO, anybody that's actually played an MMO can tell you that. Destiny is a Coop game that also features PvP. It doesn't have the world size to be an MMO, it doesn't have the servers to be an MMO, it doesn't have the player capacity to be an MMO. 3-8 players in the same area is not an MMO. Examples of MMOFPS games would be Planetside, WW2 Online, and Planetside 2.

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Messaggio originale di Delta:

Messaggio originale di Spr1ggan:

Same reason Ubisoft and EA tried it, the question... What if we get it right? *dollar signs spinning in their eyes*

Activision themselves said that it failed to meet financial expectations and that as soon as they found out Bungie were willing to take the publishing rights they got straight to work on a deal. If they wanted it so bad they would've fought to keep it or got lawyers involved, instead they couldn't get that deal done fast enough.

Saying they would get lawyers to fight for it shows how little you know cause they could do nothing to fight for it. Destiny as a franchise is owned and was always owned by Bungie and at any time Bungie could leave Activision whenever they wanted as long as they could pay the fees and Activision would be powerless to do anything.

Also Activision themselves saying it failed to meet financial expectations is nothing more than an angry ex girlfriend saying she never liked you anyways. It's a poor attempt at making Bungie feel bad and make themselves feel better about the lose. It's the same way Bungie fired back in their own ways without coming out and saying "♥♥♥♥ You" like Activision tried.

Sorry it doesn't work like that, Activision could make it very difficult for them if they wanted to. Vivendi didn't own Half-Life 2 either but they still took Valve to court for years over it.

Okay so when Activision say something it's not to be believed but when Bungie do or don't in this case it's some sort of sign of an immutable fact in their favour? LMFAO and Luke Smith has never told a lie.

[Super-XIX]

"It's okay to not like things. It's okay, just don't be a ♥♥♥♥ about it. Don't be a ♥♥♥♥ about the things you don't like."

Vote with your wallet, not with an angry forum post in a forum the developers don't even read. I bought, and will enjoy, Beyond Light, and if I don't, you can be sure this forum won't hear about it because I'll have moved on to things I do enjoy.

[Danyel]

Messaggio originale di Moon:

How dare to ask money for a product.
We should develope communism, chain down the devs doing free things for us.

I personally do not care if I need to pay for new expansions..as long as they are worth the price...HOWEVER I think what has most people upset is the DCV wherein they will be taking content away....dunno but that sucks and I will not be buying anything else for this game as I am not a fan of timed purchases or warframe type content you lose access to.

Dunno maybe I am not understanding this correctly but I play games in my leisure time and do not wish to turn this into some kind of race, chore or work to get things done before it's taken away which this beyond light expansion seems to be doing.

[[FE]Dr-Zakoota]

Frankly .. i dont hate to give money for this game .. but .. the main thing i hate is .. u dont get any info about the items and information available for quests available .. we dont know where to start quests .. or which are available to start .. clues are crap most of the times .. and u have to watch youtube videos and guides .. to see what to do .. as mostly people are casual players and dont have to much time tro just bang there heads everywhere to see where to go ...

[[MOSS]-BurningUp]

Messaggio originale di FEDr-Zakoota:

Frankly .. i dont hate to give money for this game .. but .. the main thing i hate is .. u dont get any info about the items and information available for quests available .. we dont know where to start quests .. or which are available to start .. clues are crap most of the times .. and u have to watch youtube videos and guides .. to see what to do .. as mostly people are casual players and dont have to much time tro just bang there heads everywhere to see where to go ...

They basically completely screwed up 75 percent of the base game with the F2P New Light system. Which is absolute garbage.

This was due to Bungie wanting to milk Steam players after they left Blizzard.
The base game was essentially devalued after the move to Steam because it's a different market.

So they said we'll gut the base game, make it free, but upcharge for the DLC which as it still stands now, costs $60.00. They didn't care about the player experience at all once they moved the game to Steam.

It was all about selling DLC and getting ready for the extremely expensive Beyond Light coming out. Which in a way is going to screw up the game even more it shouldn't even be called Destiny 2 anymore.

[Mental Clarity]

I am not sure if I would call it "greed". My guess is the game needs to make a certain amount to survive and these are the ideas they came up with to cut cost and charge the most money. The problem is, it's not consumer friendly and tends to just not make the people who bought the game or the newer expansions feel like they are getting any value and makes them feel more like we are loosing value.

I feel like it's a business being ran by non business people, or business people who do not understand the consumer and what they perceive as value. It also wasn't designed as a F2P game, so it all feels tacked on to the original game. F2P is very tricky and not being designed for it in the first place is a big issue to overcome.

Just to go from my perspective, there is literally nothing in the eververse I would pay money for, at least at the prices they charge. Why would I spend 15 bux on pointless armor? I bought the last 2 expansions and the last 2 seasons as they actually provided value for the price. Now I feel like those expansions have a high probability of being removed at some point which makes me very apprehensive to buy another one which will also probably be removed. Now I am not much of an MMO player, but the ones I played I don't remember them ever flat out removing stuff, when they added new stuff you paid for?

I know that if they took out the expansions I paid for, I'd probably just leave the game tbh. I can imagine some of the people who bought the original would feel. Taking out most of the free content feels like it will lower the free player base a lot, which is probably what is keeping the servers full. (but maybe i'm wrong)

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Messaggio originale di Delta:

Messaggio originale di MOSS-BurningUp:

They basically completely screwed up 75 percent of the base game with the F2P New Light system. Which is absolute garbage.

This was due to Bungie wanting to milk Steam players after they left Blizzard.
The base game was essentially devalued after the move to Steam because it's a different market.

So they said we'll gut the base game, make it free, but upcharge for the DLC which as it still stands now, costs $60.00. They didn't care about the player experience at all once they moved the game to Steam.

It was all about selling DLC and getting ready for the extremely expensive Beyond Light coming out. Which in a way is going to screw up the game even more it shouldn't even be called Destiny 2 anymore.

Move along and don't listen to the obvious freeloader people.

They know ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about what is going on and the fact that they say they are still selling DLC for full price is proof that they don't seeing as Forsaken has not been full price since before the Steam launch.

Forsaken is good and worth it's price, Shadowkeep on the other hand is abysmal and worth 10 quid at most.

[Artorias]

So don't pre-order and wait for the disappointment and realization that the price tag is worth between one and two weeks of fun max. Just look at Bungie's past marketing strategies and subsequent releases. Shadowkeep was not that good because they didn't have Activision, Vicarious Visions, or High Moon studios to help. Why would this release be any different.

Do you have a gambling addiction? I know many people that play this game do. Greed won't stop until Bungie loses lots of customers.

[MOSLEY]

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