Forced PVP

[Varjag31]

I know I'm kicking a dead horse and that it has been said before, but I just need to vent.

I generally love the game and having great deal of fun but,

Why in the world do they keep pushing PvP down our throats in the PvE content. I do not like PvP in ANY game and I do not wish to be engaged in it. I'm past 40 and it stresses me out and annoys me.

I have my work and my life obligations and I absolutely hate when they make me sit down and lose my time in an activity that I find absolutely annoying to earn progress in an activity that I love.

I can understand having some gear locked into PvP as a reward for people who play that part of the game actively, and I'm ok with not having that, but tying almost every single exotic behind some kind of PvP wall that I have to endure is pure madness.

Even worse, putting parts of seasonal quest progress behind PvP is insulting.

And then when we do get to the topic of pvp, even if I can digest it in some small doses, the matchmaking is ridiculous. 90% of the time, I get thrown into a game with a bunch of people who know their stuff and/or have great gear. I'm just getting smashed over and over waiting for the time to pass so that I can get out of it.

That is in no way fun for me, and I doubt it is fun for people who want to PvP, are good at it and have one (or more) team mates who are just non stop dead and resurrecting.

Destiny is a predominantly pve game. Why in the world they insist on shoving content that I will never want to engage with down my throat, I can't figure out.

/rant

[Shikikan]

I understand but reason for our pain is bungie cuz ya know...bungie

[RKC]

Trust me a year ago I felt the same thing as you. I hated PVP. I hated it so much that I post things in here and in the bungie forums on how i hated crucible and the worse part is being forced to by a quest.

I barely could get 2 head shot kills when I was doing the ace of spades exotic questline, but in time I learned how to do it little by little to the point that those 25 head shot that I couldnt do was an easy 30- 40 kills now.

I looked back and thought to myself how much whinny little ♥♥♥♥♥ I was. Instead of posting something here why not calm down and just play the game. Dont force it if you get 2 kills for a quest just accept it and in time you will develop the reflexes need for crucible

[Varjag31]

Originally posted by RKC:

Trust me a year ago I felt the same thing as you. I hated PVP. I hated it so much that I post things in here and in the bungie forums on how i hated crucible and the worse part is being forced to by a quest.

I barely could get 2 head shot kills when I was doing the ace of spades exotic questline, but in time I learned how to do it little by little to the point that those 25 head shot that I couldnt do was an easy 30- 40 kills now.

I looked back and thought to myself how much whinny little ♥♥♥♥♥ I was. Instead of posting something here why not calm down and just play the game. Dont force it if you get 2 kills for a quest just accept it and in time you will develop the reflexes need for crucible

I understand what you are saying, but it is not the fact that I hate doing PvP what bothers me. It's the fact that they make me do it in order to get further in the content which I love, which is the PvE content. I will never have interest in it. I found it annoying when I was 15 doing LAN with DOOM, or now.

It's like me going to a music teacher saying "I want to learn guitar, I love guitar, it interests me and I want to learn how to play", and the teacher says "OK, but you first need to learn how to play trumpet"

Like I said, I get it the learning sysle: you suck, you do it and then you become better at it and don't suck anymore. My question is, why someone why make someone do the activity to begin with if it is not their cup of tea,

There is no story reasoning behind having parts of quests behind pvp for example, it is entirely arbitrary. Why would Eris Morn want you to do 5 rounds of Crucible before you can progress to the next step of her quest.

It is kinda schizophrenic design.

Make your PvE, Make your PvP, let people who want to do one do one, let the ones who want to do the other do the other, let the ones who want to do both, do both. I don't see what would be problematic with that.

Cheers

[RKC]

Originally posted by Varjag31:

Originally posted by RKC:

Trust me a year ago I felt the same thing as you. I hated PVP. I hated it so much that I post things in here and in the bungie forums on how i hated crucible and the worse part is being forced to by a quest.

I barely could get 2 head shot kills when I was doing the ace of spades exotic questline, but in time I learned how to do it little by little to the point that those 25 head shot that I couldnt do was an easy 30- 40 kills now.

I looked back and thought to myself how much whinny little ♥♥♥♥♥ I was. Instead of posting something here why not calm down and just play the game. Dont force it if you get 2 kills for a quest just accept it and in time you will develop the reflexes need for crucible

I understand what you are saying, but it is not the fact that I hate doing PvP what bothers me. It's the fact that they make me do it in order to get further in the content which I love, which is the PvE content. I will never have interest in it. I found it annoying when I was 15 doing LAN with DOOM, or now.

It's like me going to a music teacher saying "I want to learn guitar, I love guitar, it interests me and I want to learn how to play", and the teacher says "OK, but you first need to learn how to play trumpet"

Like I said, I get it the learning sysle: you suck, you do it and then you become better at it and don't suck anymore. My question is, why someone why make someone do the activity to begin with if it is not their cup of tea,

There is no story reasoning behind having parts of quests behind pvp for example, it is entirely arbitrary. Why would Eris Morn want you to do 5 rounds of Crucible before you can progress to the next step of her quest.

It is kinda schizophrenic design.

Make your PvE, Make your PvP, let people who want to do one do one, let the ones who want to do the other do the other, let the ones who want to do both, do both. I don't see what would be problematic with that.

Cheers

Im gonna say it again. The reason you are getting really frustrated is you are forcing to get kills for the quest (Im just assuming) instead of just letting it happen when you play crucible. You are forcing to get the kills needed instead of just letting it happen. Trust me if you need X certain amount of kills with X weapon just let the kills happen instead of forcing it.

[The Average Ivy Enjoyer]

PvP's a mess anyway..

[Mister Wiggles]

Originally posted by RKC:

Originally posted by Varjag31:

I understand what you are saying, but it is not the fact that I hate doing PvP what bothers me. It's the fact that they make me do it in order to get further in the content which I love, which is the PvE content. I will never have interest in it. I found it annoying when I was 15 doing LAN with DOOM, or now.

It's like me going to a music teacher saying "I want to learn guitar, I love guitar, it interests me and I want to learn how to play", and the teacher says "OK, but you first need to learn how to play trumpet"

Like I said, I get it the learning sysle: you suck, you do it and then you become better at it and don't suck anymore. My question is, why someone why make someone do the activity to begin with if it is not their cup of tea,

There is no story reasoning behind having parts of quests behind pvp for example, it is entirely arbitrary. Why would Eris Morn want you to do 5 rounds of Crucible before you can progress to the next step of her quest.

It is kinda schizophrenic design.

Make your PvE, Make your PvP, let people who want to do one do one, let the ones who want to do the other do the other, let the ones who want to do both, do both. I don't see what would be problematic with that.

Cheers

Im gonna say it again. The reason you are getting really frustrated is you are forcing to get kills for the quest (Im just assuming) instead of just let it happen when you play crucible just let it happen. You are forcing to get the kills needed instead of just letting it happen. Trust me if you need X certain amount of kills with X weapon just let the kills happen instead of forcing it.

Think you're missing a big point here though, to just play crucible and let the quest progress in the background would mean you need to enjoy the mode and OP doesn't otherwise this post wouldn't be a thing. Alot of people hate PvP in this game and rightly so, forcing people into the mode just makes it worse for everyone, game quality goes down and people get pissed.

[Mister Wiggles]

Originally posted by Livshits:

Quite literally NO ONE is pushing PvP down your slimy throat. Everything that's behind those "big bad pvp steps" is quite literally optional, as is everything in this game.

Destiny is a PvE/PvP game, get that trough that thick skull of yours. I actually no joke wanna see players like you quit, literally just crying all the day over arbitrary stuff.

IMAGINE BEING BUTTHURT OVER A SUB-100 KILLS STEP

You mean like the PvP kills for catalysts for season pass weapons, the PvP kills REQUIRED for a few exotic quests. Why can't you get it through your thick skull that people don't like the mode and if they could would never have to go into that mode. Game is 90% PvE so PvP shouldnt be mandatory.

Imagine being that thick you miss the point altogether.

[TheVoidSpirit]

Originally posted by Mister__Wiggles:

Originally posted by Livshits:

Quite literally NO ONE is pushing PvP down your slimy throat. Everything that's behind those "big bad pvp steps" is quite literally optional, as is everything in this game.

Destiny is a PvE/PvP game, get that trough that thick skull of yours. I actually no joke wanna see players like you quit, literally just crying all the day over arbitrary stuff.

IMAGINE BEING BUTTHURT OVER A SUB-100 KILLS STEP

You mean like the PvP kills for catalysts for season pass weapons, the PvP kills REQUIRED for a few exotic quests. Why can't you get it through your thick skull that people don't like the mode and if they could would never have to go into that mode. Game is 90% PvE so PvP shouldnt be mandatory.

Imagine being that thick you miss the point altogether.

Every weapon that is acquired through PvP is designed for PvP. Ace of Spades, Last Word, Thorn, Recluse, all PvP weapons.

[Varjag31]

Originally posted by Livshits:

First of all, Destiny has always been a PvE/PvP game. Two of the main playlists consist of PvP content, those being Gambit and Crucible, therefore PvP is a big portion of the game. Second of all, why do you think that a catalyst is "forcing PvE folks into PvP"? It's not like the weapon is locked behind a PvP quest step, it's just the catalyst; neither mandatory not obligatory.

I don't see Bungie pandering to PvP players with PvE, why should there be a reverse? Every exotic PvP step or pinnacle aside from NF is easly attainable by EVERYONE, actually scratch that, anyone can get NF too at this point. I have a 13 year old brother who plays D2 primarily PvE and raids, well guess what he only got the exotics that interested him even if it meant playing PvP which he dislikes.

Also exotic hcs containing PvP steps are laughable, claiming to not be able to beat them is ridicolous.

PvP is not a big portion of the game by any means. It might be for you, in the way you play, but majority of the game content is pve. The point is, besides enjoying weak competition and being able to clean the floor with someone with no interest and no skill in the part of the game that you obviously play, why would you even want a player like me participating there. I have no interest in it. Most of the times I'm a dead weight for the team, waiting for the thing to pass, get some accidental kills and go on and forget about it. Wouldn't any seasoned pvp player worth his money, be happy to constantly play with and face competition of his own level?

Like I said, it's an on line game, with a huge community, with people of various interests. Some like one, some the other, some both. Why not leave everyone to progress through their own devices and everyone wins?

Besides people who like to wipe the floor with noobs obviously ....

[s0laris]

Originally posted by TheVoidSpirit:

Originally posted by Mister__Wiggles:

You mean like the PvP kills for catalysts for season pass weapons, the PvP kills REQUIRED for a few exotic quests. Why can't you get it through your thick skull that people don't like the mode and if they could would never have to go into that mode. Game is 90% PvE so PvP shouldnt be mandatory.

Imagine being that thick you miss the point altogether.

Every weapon that is acquired through PvP is designed for PvP. Ace of Spades, Last Word, Thorn, Recluse, all PvP weapons.

Recluse and Mountaintop are extremely good PvE weapons, at least until season end. But the rest, yeah, you dont need those for PvE gameplay. I do use my Ace in PvE from time to time, but only for the lulz.

OP, just wait until season end and you wont have to worry about having to go to PvP anymore as all pinnacles and rituals will be sunsetted.

[Varjag31]

Originally posted by Livshits:

I'll repeat myself again - not a single PvP step is mandatory for any sort of progression, everything tied to PvP is optional, untill and if we get multiple ways to progress ( which i'm all for) play trough it or ignore it. Literally no one is forcing you to do any of it, in fact, we haven't had an exotic quest that required you to play the pvp for a gun in quite a while, only for catalysts - optional upgrades that buff your weapon to a certain degree. If you want them, play the content they are tied to or vouch for QoL changes that would benefit everyone instead of just hammering down on your keyboard capslock on "PVP BAD!"

You are contradicting yourself here. So nothing is locked behind PvP, but the way to upgrade a piece of gear is, but that is somehow fine, because pve players do not desire/need catalysts?

[Varjag31]

Originally posted by Livshits:

You've got a bad habit of speed reading and assuming things. Let me repeat myself

NO MANDATORY PORTION OF THE GAME IS LOCKED BEHIND PVP; NOR IS ANYONE FORCING YOU TO DO PLAY THIS CONTENT, IN CASE YOU DESIRE THESE ITEMS THEN PLAY THE CONTENT THEY ARE TIED TO.

I don't remember catalysts being mandatory, nor am i contradicting myself. Everything i said is quite clear and easy to understand. I never said you shouldn't desire these, in fact i said i'd be down to have multiple ways to obtain them, but as it is now, neither are these mandatory nor you are forced to get them. I hope i finally made myself clear.

Nothing is mandatory. Playing the game is not mandatory, having any upgrades weapons is not mandatory, seeing all the planets is not mandatory. People who play an this kind of game, wish to have better gear ... then they want to improve that gear as much as possible, because that is kinda the underlying point of these games ... call them loot/shooters, ARPGs or whatever.

Progressing through tiers of gear is mandatory in a sense for everyone, because that's the carrot in these games. Yes, I can play through everything with a white weapon, but that doesn't mean that that will make it good.

[76561198088409502]

Originally posted by RKC:

Trust me a year ago I felt the same thing as you. I hated PVP. I hated it so much that I post things in here and in the bungie forums on how i hated crucible and the worse part is being forced to by a quest.

I barely could get 2 head shot kills when I was doing the ace of spades exotic questline, but in time I learned how to do it little by little to the point that those 25 head shot that I couldnt do was an easy 30- 40 kills now.

I looked back and thought to myself how much whinny little ♥♥♥♥♥ I was. Instead of posting something here why not calm down and just play the game. Dont force it if you get 2 kills for a quest just accept it and in time you will develop the reflexes need for crucible

[Weaselly]

Originally posted by Livshits:

Quite literally NO ONE is pushing PvP down your slimy throat. Everything that's behind those "big bad pvp steps" is quite literally optional, as is everything in this game.

Destiny is a PvE/PvP game, get that trough that thick skull of yours. I actually no joke wanna see players like you quit, literally just crying all the day over arbitrary stuff.

IMAGINE BEING BUTTHURT OVER A SUB-100 KILLS STEP

You're more dense than a black hole, mate.

[ACEsino]

Op is Chad