is Warframe better than Destiny 2?

[Katsu]

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[Genius Amoeba]

Liam eredeti hozzászólása:

Jesus Christ eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes, by far. Destiny doesn't have dedicated servers, the netcode is in shambles, and you're playing a console game on PC.

Warframe is by far the better purchase, BY FAR.

If you're trying to decide between the two, then try Warframe first, really, you'll no doubt like it a lot more. Destiny 2 might be inticing at first, but trust me, the fun will vain off extremely fast.

Why does it matter if it was a console game at start?

It's due to the technical part of the game.

Destiny 2 was made on a repurposed engine from 1998, it was made specifically for the earliest generation consoles, meaning it uses the features that were current back then. They have been trying to salvage and upgrade the engine as they go along, but now it is so huge and bloated that it takes at least 8 hours to load up their world map to add new areas etc.

Consoles also generally do not use dedicated servers, which means a very unstable game experience given the game is balancing out the bandwidth across everyone in the ground, and in Destiny you will be grouped with people from all over the world. In PVE it does mean a little less really, since you're not being "competitive" against the bosses, but in PVP this is a huge issue that totally ruins any sort of actual competitive PVP, or honest PVP, as it is impossible to get a fair match when the "server" is picked out of 1 person from the two competing teams, that person will have a much better experience since all their shots will connect faster and easier than everyone else, and especially those who will be connecting Europe to US etc.

I doubt Bungie thought of people figuring this out, but since they changed the game from Battle.net to STEAM, people can now view each others accounts and see which country someone is from, and easier talk/ask each other, which has proven that you are being matched with and against people from all over the world. Europe, South American, Russia, Australia, all in one game, not on a dedicated server, but in a PEER TO PEER connected environment. This is hilarious outdated.

Bungie has dug themselves into a hole, and I suspect that the reason they're not being vocal about anything, is because they're either considering giving up Destiny (or just leaving it be), or they're trying to pump out as much money as possible out of people, until they announce/release Destiny 3, OR they're working on a completely new IP.

Either way, it is evident beyond all reason that Bungie care more about money than their games.

Get Warframe.

[Katsu]

Jesus Christ eredeti hozzászólása:

Liam eredeti hozzászólása:

Why does it matter if it was a console game at start?

It's due to the technical part of the game.

Destiny 2 was made on a repurposed engine from 1998, it was made specifically for the earliest generation consoles, meaning it uses the features that were current back then. They have been trying to salvage and upgrade the engine as they go along, but now it is so huge and bloated that it takes at least 8 hours to load up their world map to add new areas etc.

Consoles also generally do not use dedicated servers, which means a very unstable game experience given the game is balancing out the bandwidth across everyone in the ground, and in Destiny you will be grouped with people from all over the world. In PVE it does mean a little less really, since you're not being "competitive" against the bosses, but in PVP this is a huge issue that totally ruins any sort of actual competitive PVP, or honest PVP, as it is impossible to get a fair match when the "server" is picked out of 1 person from the two competing teams, that person will have a much better experience since all their shots will connect faster and easier than everyone else, and especially those who will be connecting Europe to US etc.

I doubt Bungie thought of people figuring this out, but since they changed the game from Battle.net to STEAM, people can now view each others accounts and see which country someone is from, and easier talk/ask each other, which has proven that you are being matched with and against people from all over the world. Europe, South American, Russia, Australia, all in one game, not on a dedicated server, but in a PEER TO PEER connected environment. This is hilarious outdated.

Bungie has dug themselves into a hole, and I suspect that the reason they're not being vocal about anything, is because they're either considering giving up Destiny (or just leaving it be), or they're trying to pump out as much money as possible out of people, until they announce/release Destiny 3, OR they're working on a completely new IP.

Either way, it is evident beyond all reason that Bungie care more about money than their games.

Get Warframe.

You're the first one to say something that was worth reading!

[VaderDFXB]

Liam eredeti hozzászólása:

You're the first one to say something that was worth reading!

You mean they're the first person to say something positive about Warframe. Clearly that's what you were cruising for making this thread. Warframe is boring AF in comparison to D2. The gameplay you can't even compare. D2 is smooth and WF is clunky, at least it was when I last played it.

[Mental Clarity]

I haven't played warframe in a long time (played on pc and ps4) but it was definitely a fun game and pretty comparable to destiny (at least at the time). I would say the grind was more difficult in Warframe, but I felt better about spending money in that game as you could get inventory slots, a few warframes for a reasonable price which made it easier to just grind for other warframes etc. I like how they try new things as well, haven't played any of the new stuff but they've added space ship combat and an open world section. And almost everything is grindable in warframe (except maybe inventory slots I don't recall) which is what I don't like about destiny especially when they charge for campaign content as well.

But I do remember needing to always look online to see what stuff to get first, what to spend money on and what not to, where to get parts and farm mods etc. I guess both really require you to look online for stuff, but it was required a bit more in warframe when I played it.

[Ceceli Δ]

VaderDFXB eredeti hozzászólása:

Liam eredeti hozzászólása:

You're the first one to say something that was worth reading!

You mean they're the first person to say something positive about Warframe. Clearly that's what you were cruising for making this thread. Warframe is boring AF in comparison to D2. The gameplay you can't even compare. D2 is smooth and WF is clunky, at least it was when I last played it.

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[gr33nbits]

Both games are fun and different i have like 200h on Warframe and more then 1000h in Destiny 2, personally no game gave me this fun and it's the game with the most hours i have played my entire life.

[Lovecraft]

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[Ceceli Δ]

gr33nbits eredeti hozzászólása:

Both games are fun and different i have like 200h on Warframe and more then 1000h in Destiny 2, personally no game gave me this fun and it's the game with the most hours i have played my entire life.

Getting to 1000h for a normal person is really something. There are few games that I got or am about to get 1000h.

[gr33nbits]

Ceceli ♠ eredeti hozzászólása:

gr33nbits eredeti hozzászólása:

Both games are fun and different i have like 200h on Warframe and more then 1000h in Destiny 2, personally no game gave me this fun and it's the game with the most hours i have played my entire life.

Getting to 1000h for a normal person is really something. There are few games that I got or am about to get 1000h.

Exactly, no other game in my long list as this many hours.

[SevenUp / TCA7]

Too many people rush to get missions done in Warframe without regard to the people on their pickup groups which leads to those left behind having to mop up the left behind mobs. Too many people see that your character is DEAD and will not stop to resurrect your character.

Warframe takes way damn too long to level up. The level up missions get more and more insane. If you cannot complete the level up mission, you cannot retry the level up mission for a full 24 hours.

Destiny 2 has much better content and a much better way to level up.

If you want to do much in Warframe, you most likely will have to "Pay to Win".

Both games are well done.

Bottom line for me, Destiny 2 is a much better game than Warframe.

[Jeff]

MOSLEY eredeti hozzászólása:

I find Warframe painful to look at, honestly. It looks like the UI and assets were created by hobbyists in their free time. It's roughly the level of quality that you would expect from a mod, not a game.

This made me laugh hard. This is exactly why I can't play it. I love the concept and the character, ship, and weapon designs. But the UI is just awful. I keep waiting for a pop-up to appear mid-game trying to get me to buy penis pumps. Game needs an overhaul.

[primobrainlet]

Shurosen eredeti hozzászólása:

MOSLEY eredeti hozzászólása:

I find Warframe painful to look at, honestly. It looks like the UI and assets were created by hobbyists in their free time. It's roughly the level of quality that you would expect from a mod, not a game.

This made me laugh hard. This is exactly why I can't play it. I love the concept and the character, ship, and weapon designs. But the UI is just awful. I keep waiting for a pop-up to appear mid-game trying to get me to buy penis pumps. Game needs an overhaul.

fun fact: warframe's current state is the overhaul, the games just heckin old

[Handoiron]

SevenUp / TCA7 eredeti hozzászólása:

Too many people rush to get missions done in Warframe without regard to the people on their pickup groups which leads to those left behind having to mop up the left behind mobs. Too many people see that your character is DEAD and will not stop to resurrect your character.

The same exact thing happens in Destiny 2 in matchmade missions. The difference is that in Warframe, you can set every mission to solo mode to avoid it if you want. Both games offer the ability to set up a full premade group. However, Destiny 2 forces you to use third party sites to set a team up where Warframe has a dedicated in game filterable chat for LFG.. For these reasons, Warframe wins the rusher comparison you described.

SevenUp / TCA7 eredeti hozzászólása:

Warframe takes way damn too long to level up. The level up missions get more and more insane. If you cannot complete the level up mission, you cannot retry the level up mission for a full 24 hours.

Warframe mastery rank has no impact on character power. Everything you gain from increasing Mastery rank is just to offset some grinding, Basically, at max mastery rank, you shorten how long it takes to power through new content and make the droughts between them longer.

Most of the "level up missions" are remarkably easy if you actually play the game. While failing a mastery rank test does trigger a 24 hour timer to retry, you can practice each test an unlimited number of times before you try to take it and even failing the test doesn't block progress in any real way because you still accumulate mastery XP no matter what. And since there are only a max of 30 mastery ranks, the time spent waiting on them is barely noticeable over the course of month playing.

Destiny 2 "leveling" with light level has some actual impact on character power and takes months to grind out the top 10 light levels on pinnacle engrams. Destiny 2 takes much longer in it's leveling up than Warframe does and Warframe has no character power penalty at all for not leveling. Even if those 10 light levels are nearly 0 bonus, it's still more than no benefit.

SevenUp / TCA7 eredeti hozzászólása:

If you want to do much in Warframe, you most likely will have to "Pay to Win".

This is 100% false. Warframe's version of Destiny 2's Silver is called Platinum and is tradeable. This means you can trade things you get during game play as a completely free player to others for Platinum and use it for anything you need to use it for. In Warframe, you can get everything in game outside of some purely cosmetic items for absolutely no real money at all.

In Destiny 2, there are 2 DLCs and rotating season passes containing actual content and many of the more powerful weapons that you can not possibly get without spending real money.

Warframe clearly wins the F2P vs. P2W comparison.


Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to say either game is truly "better" than the other. The overall comparison isn't exactly apples v. oranges but it is close to granny smith apples vs. red delicious apples. Chances are that if you like the looter shooter genre, you'll like them both and you'll have to decide for yourself which you like more.

[ERROR1018]

It's puzzling to me that people in this thread are espousing Warframe's servers over D2. They both use peer to peer as their network type, and I've had as many (or more) problems with Warframe's netcode than D2's. I left Warframe after around 1300 hours so YMMV. I believe they improved host migration, but it wasn't uncommon for me to farm for 45+ min and lose 100% of progress because the host crashed or disconnected.

The other problem I have/had with Warframe is balance. I've gone back a few times to play new endgame content with friends and specific frame and weapon combinations still clean house so there's no real motivation to progress and the overpoweredness of certain items is so extreme that there's also no real reason to run anything else once you have them.

That said, I had a ton of fun with Warframe, I probably sank a couple hundred bucks into them over the course of a couple years because I liked their game, and I'd recommend the game to anyone curious. I still have a little Rhino statue on my desk at work.

[SevenUp / TCA7]

This is 100% false. Warframe's version of Destiny 2's Silver is called Platinum and is tradeable. This means you can trade things you get during game play as a completely free player to others for Platinum and use it for anything you need to use it for. In Warframe, you can get everything in game outside of some purely cosmetic items for absolutely no real money at all.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.

Personally played a lot of Warframe... if you want more than 2 Warframes, you have 2 choices... craft a new one after deleting one of the 2 you have already -OR- Pay to Win as in buy more slots.