Can we please have non intrusive matchmaking for raids? Simply opt out or in at will

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Destiny is about playing this amazing game in your way right? Right now a raid never gives that epic feeling simply because youre expected to know how to beat it before even starting. You never get to go adventure through these epic spaces the way I remember doing in the taken king with a bunch of noobs who hated lfg and finally managed to get ourselves in with little to no knowledge. It was like playing halo all over again!

For those who hate matchmaking please let them (and us when we want to play with friends only) opt out in a simple way.

Most people never even get to play the destiny raids, thats a shame because they truly are on another level compared to the matchmaking activities. I imagine a lot of people have quit playing destiny or destiny 2 before ever trying a raid or finishing one. Thats really sad!

Instead of pushing away un knowledged runs, you can just for now let people sort it out. The frusteration of not being able to play a raid at all is much worse than the pain of failing one a few times. For those who dislike it simply opt out. If you are ever feeling lazy or want a few quick laughs watching / helping / trolling noobs you can always opt in.

In the end its literally just the puzzles that stop people from easily being able to do raids the same way we run through nightfall ordeals.... or more accuretly the strike playlist. This really shows that having very clear mechanics that arent puzzle based (like platforming and discovery/mystery/hidden secrets) really are what the community remembers fondly from D1 and D2, taking that into raids and dungeons with matchmaking that is opt in or out at will is a remedy and a path forward

edit: it seems everyone deeply wants this except a very loud and vocal minority of very toxic players who admit they will continue playing anyway, and for the ones who quit over that..good riddance, make money off thenew players. Be honest, how many players would quit or play LESS with a fully optional matchmaking system for all or most activities, especially raids?

[Milkless Tea]

Division 2 kinds had the right idea, they added matchmaking for raids but it was simply to learn it. The difficulty was easy and the rewards were ♥♥♥♥♥. Then you'd know what to do and could take on the real raid

[MeGa]

Idk about raids, but people said matchmaking on other non matchmade activities like legend sundial and 950 nf would be unsuccesfull.

Then this week I hopped on Bungie LFG site by first time, easily found groups for those activities, and found out it is totally possible to add matchmaking for those activities.

Ive cleared like 5 times each, in a couple days, using bungies lfg site.
We did never fail once, nobody used mics, and only a 1/4 of fireteam members typed something and or carried a champion mod.

Many LFG fireteam creators complained about bungie lfg tool, mainly because it is so fast and primitive that you end up with 8-10 players on your lfg group, where you only need 6 xD.

For now, im still not positive raids would work fine with match making, but other high level activities like this that lack it...for sure!

Iirc once we couldnt start the legend sundial as the game warned nobody carrier unstoppable mods, so it would be easy to implement a requirement like that.

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while id appreciate it if there was matchmaking with everything all the way up as long as it was opt in/out at will because it truly has no downsides. Anyone who wants to pick there own team can do so freely and is never impacted. That would be best....but if you literally had to have a nerd screaming rage about it (not you, someone...somewhere....) make the absolute most epic top tier uber stupid insane challenege mode be edit stupid typo**** non matchmaking only. For the elites! lol

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and you could keep the sherpa system thats in beta as a way for clans to teach noobs, it can further clan recruitment and destiny player involvement, and can be a way to learn for people that cant get through on matchmaking /cant find a group or just want to guide people...or whatever reason they have for using it!

[MOSLEY]

Yes, let's waste dev time implementing a feature that will universally guarantee a terrible experience for everyone involved. That sounds like an excellent use of resources.

The only way matchmaking would ever work for raids is if you required 3 completions before you were able to enter matchmaking, making it redundant for the people who are actually asking for it.

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MOSLEY님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, let's waste dev time implementing a feature that will universally guarantee a terrible experience for everyone involved. That sounds like an excellent use of resources.

From a dev point this is more easily done. It already works in nearly every system and ive including problem points. If youre going to start screaming reeeeeeeeee at me next please go ahead. From a dev point they are clearly working on D3 and other titles so when they make the upgraded version it will be much easier to work it back in. This is a major issue that stops over 50% of the user base from experiencing the best parts of the game. You are wasting peoples times with your nonsense.

Opt out and stop ruining other peoples gameplay and experience with your nerd obsession


for what its worth ive been dying to buy stuff in game but havent found anything worth spending on since the shop was first introduced. Bought a number of things on my old destiny accounts on ps4, x1, etc. It takes way too long to lfg and everyone just no mics anyway. I would spend around 40 a month extra if there was cool raiding that was easy to do with a variety of people at any time (not just usa prime time when lfg is active) heroic sundial, raids (all of them, we are so overpowered) and cool times to use my finishers and show off my ornaments and stuff. Def add in dungeons to matchmaking...

my point above is kinda just saying look..ive bought d1 and d2 every expansion and stupid dlc about 4 times over. Once i accidentally rebought destiny 1 and all dlcs and just said ♥♥♥♥ it thats like 120 i love this game no big deal. I bought stuff from the store because it was cool and there was cool content that was mostly easy to access but over time the lack of connecv=tivity has made this game dry and dull. Its an mmo lite with heavy rpg fps elements. It now has an eshop. Make the most of that. Everyone hates lfg except the most toxic of nerds.

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the thing that annoys me most about the people who say matchmaking will suck, is they themselves admit they wont use it and will continue to use lfg...and they are telling us that we will just have an awful time because they "just know maaaaaaannnnn". Everyone who has tried it out with lfgs knows you have to really suck to need the mic. We all just check your equipment in the loading screen anyway and we have text chat. If you choose to pick your entire team go for it and opt out...or we can call it opt in who cares. Everyone else will do fine on matchmaking, we are having fun even when we fail because we enjoy playing the game!

for consoles maybe...maybe..it would be a mess without text chat but thats not a given whatsoever! People do use mics on matchmaking, and sometimes you just make things work well. Raids have checkpoint systems for a reason.

[MOSLEY]

"Everyone who has tried it out with lfgs knows you have to really suck to need the mic."

You have 0 raid completions.

You NEED ~4 people to have mics for pretty much every raid unless the group is very experienced. The experienced players won't be in matchmaking, so good luck with that.

You also NEED the group to have at least decent gear. Half of the people I run into in matchmaking enabled activities are running double primaries, a rocket launchers and one eyed mask in PVE...

You also NEED everyone in the group to have enough free time to get through the raid. Good luck with that when you get matched with Little Johnny who has no idea what a raid is but figured he'd queue up and find out.

Overall, it's just a terrible idea. Quit whining and LFG. It's literally just matchmaking with the people who are too lazy filtered out.

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ahem ive been playing this game since day 1 of launch of d1 i own the game on 2 different accounts since i didnt transfer my blizzard one so its prob dead, one on x1, one on ps4, all with all expansions and dlc, on top of buying every dlc of destiny 1 multiple times over. oh and ive bought dumbass bungie points for cash. my fav raids are 100% classic vog and the taken king raid, last wish is 3rd.

you have checkpoints, time isnt an issue. Dont use it if it bothers you, i 100% promise that if its implemented you will still play without any change. Many others wont play if its not implemented

i can literally hear you screaming reeeeee through my speakers dude


you dont need any of that unless you truly are braindead...wait maybe you really do need 4 babysitters to get you through a video game marketed to 13 year olds

people use the gear they want, and the gear ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rng gives them BECAUSE THEY CANT PLAY THE RAID (are you stupid, or any other end game activity! If youre saying that outside of that the default weapons people get arent good enough im sorry but you suck)! you twit

if its so bad before first chekcpoint quit and restart, thanks to matchmaking it takes literally no time. Otherwise just load up your checkpoint and guess what, matchmaking finds you others at that exact same checkpoint..

[MOSLEY]

Ah, your favourite raids are the easy ones. How surprising.

Checkpoints would have to be disabled for matchmaking. What would happen if 6 people queue
up with 6 different checkpoints? There isn't an agreed fireteam leader so how do you decide which checkpoint to use?

JackTheSamurai님이 먼저 게시:

i can literally hear you screaming reeeeee through my speakers dude

Must be an echo.

You edited your post, so I guess I'll edit mine...

Feel free to compare my raid.report against yours if you want to try to make this a question of "skill".

Literally none of the best gear in the game is locked behind raids. The gear that people use has nothing to do with whether they've raided or not.

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thats not how matchmaking works man you just load up with people at the same point as you , blank start, point 1, 2, 3, 4, boss, etc

its pretty clear at this point by your own fault that theres no real reason to not have total matchmaking for everything allowing people to turn it off or on at all. You have nothing to say whatsoever and clearly dont understand the concepts at hand at all and just want to create toxicity in the community..aybe go do pushups or something man..oh wait

man the fact you just tried to make this into an arguement about who is better in this game shows youre the problem. People like you dont belong on computers

[MOSLEY]

Those are gonna be some long queue times, lmao. How many people do you think are queuing up for the same raid with the same checkpoint at the same time? Have fun queuing for an hour or getting matched with 5 Chinese dudes who don't speak English, I guess.

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okay so real human beings who play the game all want it. Trolls say they dont want it but will play anyways with no change, they just want to grind anyways.


I would 100% rather be qued in with 5 randoms who dont speak english than 5 of you any day

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so you have said