The Crucible is the Worst PvP in Any FPS and Here's Why

[AlastairKD]

Honestly from the time I've ♥♥♥♥♥♥ back into Destiny 2 I was expecting for the New Light update to fix the horrible balancing, networking, and general gameplay issues of the Crucible. Suffice to say nothing has changed as of this time and PvP in Destiny is still terrible. Hitreg detection is questionable in this game, and the fact that male and female Guardians have different hitbox sizes is flat out unfair in a PvP setting because every tryhard will run female Guardians for the Crucible. Secondly, allowing Exotics into PvP breaks all game balance. The abilities of every exotic weapon make them far too overpowered to be used fairly, and I say this having used Riskrunner in the Crucible to complete 4 matches. The weapon is flat out broken there and as is the Outbreak Perfected.

Next to talk about is the melee system and SMGs and Handcannons. Almost every Guardian in the Crucible can be found wielding an SMG or a Handcannon due to their superior damage and fire rate respectively over all primary and energy weapons. To fix this either nerf Handcannons and SMGs in the Crucible or buff all other weapon types to compete with them, the best kind of weapon meta is NO meta at all. Secondly is the melee system, for some reason melee hitreg is bugged beyong belief because regardless of obtaining the killing blow in a close quarters situation, your opponent can still melee you back afterwards which results in BOTH Guardians dying as a result. Why this is the way it is I dont know, but it should be like Halos PvP system where 2 melee hits are all that is needed to kill a Guardian from the front, and one from behind.

The Crucible in its current state is not a viable competitive enviornment due to the lack of balance, but with the suggestions I made I believe it can be a more fair and balanced PvP system.

[R A Z E R]

Handcannons technically did get a range nerf not long ago.. Now it takes 1 more hit/tap to kill someone...

[DeepFriedWafflez]

>Riskrunner and Outbreak broken

Ah, ok so this is either a new light player who got dumpstered, or a PvE/gambit main that can't hold their own in crucible. If you think HC's, the staple of what sets d2 guns apart from other shooters needs ANOTHER nerf, you're not only bad, you're ignorant.

Is there broken stuff in crucible atm? Yes. Do any of the things you suggested matter? No.

[DCR]

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The female/male hitbox differences should be fixed tho

Yeah, they need to be fixed, the female hitbox is too big for that character model...

Because

MALE AND FEMALE HITBOX ARE THE SAME...

So you're saying he's not right and OP is lying. Fair enough.

[DCR]

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The female/male hitbox differences should be fixed tho, make the ladies a bit fatter :p But I'd never expect pvp in this game to be fair. It's a pay2win game. Have some realistic expectations imo.

How is it pay to win when you can only get cosmetic items and vehicles from Eververse?

I just got the forsaken DLC, some of the weapons in these quests are quite powerful. Dont know if you can get them without the quests from the DLC. Also dont break a sweat because it's p2w. Devs need food too, and it's not uncommon for games to need some income to get development going. I prefer games to cost money, f2p tends to go down the drain. It's just that this is also a looter shooter, so p2w is a bit heavy and game mechanics favor knowledge over how things work in the game, over raw aim and response time. If game had gone true f2p we wouldnt have a game at all.

[Trillian]

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Yeah, they need to be fixed, the female hitbox is too big for that character model...

Because

MALE AND FEMALE HITBOX ARE THE SAME...

So you're saying he's not right and OP is lying. Fair enough.

Not lying, just misinformed or mistaken.

[Miauteusz]

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Why this is the way it is I dont know, but it should be like Halos PvP system where 2 melee hits are all that is needed to kill a Guardian from the front, and one from behind.

It's not Halo and why it "should be" like it? Because you said so? Tons of people play crucible since Destiny 1 and suddenly steam experts jump in and say the pvp sucks, this is plain silly.

[R A Z E R]

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How is it pay to win when you can only get cosmetic items and vehicles from Eververse?

I just got the forsaken DLC, some of the weapons in these quests are quite powerful. Dont know if you can get them without the quests from the DLC. Also dont break a sweat because it's p2w. Devs need food too, and it's not uncommon for games to need some income to get development going. I prefer games to cost money, f2p tends to go down the drain. It's just that this is also a looter shooter, so p2w is a bit heavy and game mechanics favor knowledge over how things work in the game, over raw aim and response time. If game had gone true f2p we wouldnt have a game at all.

But destiny 2 really isn't p2w tho... The only thing you actually pay for are cosmetics/ornaments that require certain armors to be usable on, and the DLC packs where as all of em except forsaken and shadowkeep cost money... The ghost shell you get with the deluxe edition was considered a bit p2w, but if you grind enough bright dust than you can get ghost shells that are jsut as good or even better... Yes certain of the best ingame weapons are locked behind a DLC/paywall... But even then, there are plenty of guns you can get with the free version aswell that performs just as good if you are a average player.

[eepy]

Another case of mad because bad. This isnt Halo so stop acting like it is. Destiny is a MMORPG with shooter elements, so youre not gonna get halo/r6/cod gameplay montages. Destiny is gonna give you a announcer with energy, complete mayhem, and a large amount of variety through loadout changes and perks (Dont give me that meta ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, if your crucible skills are worth a damn you can run what you want).

Play better, make shaxx proud, and use actual points besides muh meta, and this isnt halo.

[DCR]

Of all the games i've played this comes closest to p2w. I agree there are really good weapons on par with DLC weaponary and such from free events. But p2w goes further then this. Season pass gives you several major upgrade items and stuff which is a clear advantage to get high stats for armor and such. And i've barely scratched the surface of how far this goes into the game, but to me it seems rather evident already. But tbh, i think the game is fun, there is too much repetitive stuff, and some aspects needs work.

However there is so much content and stuff to do, can't really complain about it. I will say tho that the game is quite rewarding for supporting it, and i really enjoy the single player stuff. I just hope they make it more enjoyable and keeping in mind single player campaign in next major updates. Tho that seems to be in jeopardy atm. Not sure.

[zali]

ignore this post this guys hes a legit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot. outbreak and risk runner op in pvp yea ok bud wtf are u smoking. ur legit a braindead baboon

[KaMi]

If you want a competitive and fair PVP go back to CSGO on ESEA lol...
Coming here and complain about the PVP on Destiny when you sure as ♥♥♥♥ know it's horrible.

[-blam!-]

I agree that Crucible is terrible, but not for ANY of the reasons you described.
All exotics broken? Hell no. Some are, like One Eyed Mask and The Last Word, but the majority are fine. Male and female hitbox differences? Personally I haven’t noticed, but if they do exist it barely matters with how much bullet magnetism there is. Hand cannons and SMGs being broken? There is a single smg that is blatantly OP, Recluse, and hand cannons are dominant in the meta but the majority are far from OP.

[Doragor]

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Secondly, allowing Exotics into PvP breaks all game balance. The abilities of every exotic weapon make them far too overpowered to be used fairly, and I say this having used Riskrunner in the Crucible to complete 4 matches. The weapon is flat out broken there and as is the Outbreak Perfected.

Point at him and laugh

[HAHA funny fish hat (DG)]

I started crucible and loved it. I know it is not excelently balanced but i did wish they gave more attention to it, and maybe add some temporary events like fireteams vs fireteams championships, to bolster engagement.

[Void]

Meh, honestly with the launch of shadowkeep i find myself playing all kinds of weapons and archetypes, yes currently scouts and pulse are meta but i dont find an issue using an AR depending on the map of course.

Also, Recluse is good yes, but with the right hands, many people don't know how to use it efficiently; all 900rpm SMG are performing amazingly atm.