Vault full. How to identify what armor and weapons to dismantle.

[zOldBulldog]

Even though there are many guides on great builds, there is virtually no information at all about what is worthless and safe to recycle for materials.

And of course your vault will only hold 500 items, which easily makes it one of the big problems for new players, as you don't want to shard a perfect roll weapon or armor piece that you do not have the knowledge to recognize yet.

It would be great to have some simple rules or even some guides, but I have not found any. Here I summarize what I know, and ask for others to contribute for what I don't know.


EARLY GAME
- At the beginning you have no space issues. Just use the Destiny Item Manager (DIM) web page or app to max equip the best gear you have and store the rest in the Vault. You can do this until you have about 300 items in the vault.

MID GAME
- You can safely dismantle all weapons and armor below blue.
- You can safely dismantle any blue armor with stats below +55 unless it was selected by DIM as your best piece. Which is virtually all of it. I don't remember seeing a single blue over +55.
- You can safely dismantle all blue weapons with light level 0-5 below your current (or all below 950 if you already reached it). Initially you might use some of those as you might be looking for something specific that you don't have yet.
The above should carry you to 950+ even if you keep every legendary and exotic.

MID-LATE GAME
- You definitely want to keep your exotics and masterworked weapons.
- This is where things get tricky. Your knowledge of what are good and bad perks is limited. And your collection of legendaries is creeping towards 500, the Vault limit.
- You are aware that there are "God Rolls" and even "good rolls" perk combinations that are rare and you want to be sure to not dismantle. But you don't know what they are. You might have them in your vault and fear loosing them to ignorance.
- You have many duplicate legendaries but they all have different perk combinations.
- You are playing PvE and PvP and know you will eventually have all 3 characters, and that "ideal sets" depend on both character and game mode, so you need to keep various sets.

... and this is where my knowledge fails me. I have no idea which legendary perk combinations are good to keep and which are safe to dismantle. Any advice would be greatly welcomed.


ADVICE FROM THIS THREAD:
(of course, nothing replaces learning about each perk and how they can interact)

0) Good sources of Perk information:
- DIM (Destiny Item Manager).
- Light.gg.

1a) Keep Blues at highest current light level (950+) as infusion materials.
1b) Of course also keep Pinnacle weapons.

2) Short term quick-fix (for legendaries after the above advice):
- Auto, Pulse, SMG, MG, Hand cannon:
--- Keep perks: Feeding Frenzy, Outlaw.
--- Keep perks: KillClip, Rampage, MultikillClip, Headseeker.
- Bow:
--- Keep perks: Rampage + Explosive Head / Timed Payload.
- Shotguns + other heavies: TBD.
- Shard the rest.

3) Generally good perks:
- Those that increase damage, like Rampage.
- Those that improve the magazine.
- Those that improve reload.
- Those that improve accuracy.

4) PvE good perks:
- Generally reload + damage.
- Feeding Frenzy, Outlaw, Rapid Hit.
- Rampage, Swashbuckler, KillClip, MultikillClip.

5) PvP good perks:
- Generally reload + damage.
- Or things like RangeFinder, Quickdraw, Snapshot Sights.

6) Best weapons (usually exotics and pre-made mastercrafts):
(not really about what to shard, but useful to know what to hunt for)
- Ace of Spades
- Recluse
- Izanagi
- Leviathan (for nightfall unstoppables)
- Divinity
- 21%
Power weapons:
- Darcy
- BlackTalon
- Two-tailed Fox
- Braytech launcher

[Miomazi]

Is the perk easy to activate and does it increase your damage or reload speed? If yes then it's a good perk, it's actually really simple

[MrWitz]

OP, don't let it both you that much. As it is right now, the best weapons are exotics or pre-made mastercrafts (ace-of-spades, recluse, izanagi, leviathan (for nightfall unstoppables), divinity, 21%, etc).

I RARELY use random weapons found in the wild,

Sure, you'll use your random rolled weapons every now and then. But for the most part, it's really not that big of a deal. There isn't such a thing as a "god-roll" because it entirely depends on the player and his playstyle.

[Dimbhaja]

Цитата допису Hex:

If you actually took the time to understand the game instead of staring and guides telling you everything, you would instantly see what guns are good. I swear, this internet-assisted hand-holding is killing games.

Spending time on the game doesn't automatically tell you what the possible rolls for each weapon are, or how effective one perk is compared to another similar perk, or that resilience is an awful stat. And blaming internet guides for "killing" games is just begging for an ok boomer response. If the New Light early game wasn't a confusing mess, you might've almost had a point.

[Hex]

Цитата допису MOSLEY:

Цитата допису Hex:

They are accurate enough for the purposes of the game. You're not gonna stand still when actually playing the game, so an inaccuracy of 1 pixel won't matter at all.

Who decides what is and is not "accurate enough for the purposes of the game"? When selecting perks, if one gives +5 to a stat and another gives +10, I'd rather take the +10.

One says "increases range" and another says "greatly increases range", hmmmm which mod increases range more? I DUN NOU, MUTS GUGLE ITS!

[MOSLEY]

Цитата допису Hex:

Цитата допису MOSLEY:

Who decides what is and is not "accurate enough for the purposes of the game"? When selecting perks, if one gives +5 to a stat and another gives +10, I'd rather take the +10.

One says "increases range" and another says "greatly increases range", hmmmm which mod increases range more? I DUN NOU, MUTS GUGLE ITS!

A lot of them just say "increases range" and increase range by different amounts. Either you know this and you're refusing to back down because ego or you don't know what you're talking about and shouldn't be giving people advice.

[Cajun Rabbit]

You need to dismantle pretty much EVERYTHING in your vault. there is no reason to have 500 items stored. You cant use them all at once, and you never will use them all.


Only keep the things that you like / will use, and weapons with perks that are good, its easy to see if something is good or not. Extra damage, faster reload, masterworked? all good things.



Keep your exotics, its what the vault is for, never know what exotic you will want, no need to toss those.

only keep a good handfull of legendary, and legendary masterworked in the vault, you probably wont use them, but you may want to switch out to something else at some point.



Keep the weapons you use all the time... ON you.

For example. I carry an Auto Rifle, Bow, Hand Cannon, Sniper and Scout rifle for Kinetic,

SMG, Shotgun, Grenade Launcher, Bow, and Scout rifle for energy weapons

and

Darci, Black Talon, Two Tailed fox, and Braytech launcher for power


i always have all those weapons on me, different situations call for different weapons, and they all have different perk set ups.



find what works for you, then maximize on that.... screw the guides, be your own guardian.

[Hex]

Цитата допису Krusader:

Цитата допису Hex:

If you actually took the time to understand the game instead of staring and guides telling you everything, you would instantly see what guns are good. I swear, this internet-assisted hand-holding is killing games.

Spending time on the game doesn't automatically tell you what the possible rolls for each weapon are, or how effective one perk is compared to another similar perk, or that resilience is an awful stat. And blaming internet guides for "killing" games is just begging for an ok boomer response. If the New Light early game wasn't a confusing mess, you might've almost had a point.

Wat? You equip weapon, you go to a strike, you shoot things. That's how you know if a perk is good or not, by how it functions in actual gameplay. Then you use a secondary weapon that balances the weaknesses of your primary weapon. Power weapons should be picked based on what you're doing. High single shots are worthless on Strikes with invulnerability mechanics while swords are really good if you know you need to kill yellow bar mobs fast.

People who rely on guides are always the weakest link, because they don't actually know wtf they are doing.

[MOSLEY]

Of course. Don't do any damage testing or look at actual stats which are readily available. Just fire up a random strike and go by feel. Great advice.

[A Suspicious Crayon]

Generally you can dismantle anything with a bad roll that isn't above your current light, those can still be used to infuse those with good rolls, Armor that has low stat rolls, unless it can be used for infusion anything below 50 is insta dismantle to me unless it is pinacle then it is Infusion material.

You can dismantle every shader that you don't need, you can get them back from the collection tab. Exotics can also be reaquired from the collections tab, lower light but still, if you don't need it or want it you can dismantle it and get it back once you want it.

[Cajun Rabbit]

Цитата допису An Imaginary Friend:

Generally you can dismantle anything with a bad roll that isn't above your current light, those can still be used to infuse those with good rolls, Armor that has low stat rolls, unless it can be used for infusion anything below 50 is insta dismantle to me unless it is pinacle then it is Infusion material.

You can dismantle every shader that you don't need, you can get them back from the collection tab. Exotics can also be reaquired from the collections tab, lower light but still, if you don't need it or want it you can dismantle it and get it back once you want it.

Pinnacle gear just means it will be +1... now +2 above 950 when you have all 950s in slot.


to go from 900 to 950 you need Prime / legendary / powerful gear to increase above 900 to get to 950.

once you hit 950 any gear that is not pinnacle will not be an increase in light level, they will all be 950 or lower.


thats all it means.

[BlueLightning]

for pinnacle weapon, save them

other legendaries

if i be you, i keep gun with this perk

for auto/pulse rifles,smg,machine gun,hand cannon:
feeding frenzy, outlaw
killclip, rampage, multikillclip, headseeker?

bow: rampage + explosive head/timed payload

i dismantle rest

for shotguns and other heavies, still didn't decide

[MOSLEY]

Цитата допису RUM-Cajun Rabbit:

Цитата допису An Imaginary Friend:

Generally you can dismantle anything with a bad roll that isn't above your current light, those can still be used to infuse those with good rolls, Armor that has low stat rolls, unless it can be used for infusion anything below 50 is insta dismantle to me unless it is pinacle then it is Infusion material.

You can dismantle every shader that you don't need, you can get them back from the collection tab. Exotics can also be reaquired from the collections tab, lower light but still, if you don't need it or want it you can dismantle it and get it back once you want it.

Pinnacle gear just means it will be +1... now +2 above 950 when you have all 950s in slot.


to go from 900 to 950 you need Prime / legendary / powerful gear to increase above 900 to get to 950.

once you hit 950 any gear that is not pinnacle will not be an increase in light level, they will all be 950 or lower.


thats all it means.

Prime engrams continue to drop at your power level once you go beyond 950. Once you're 951, your primes will drop at 951. Can be useful for filling any gaps.

[Cajun Rabbit]

Цитата допису MOSLEY:

Цитата допису RUM-Cajun Rabbit:

Pinnacle gear just means it will be +1... now +2 above 950 when you have all 950s in slot.


to go from 900 to 950 you need Prime / legendary / powerful gear to increase above 900 to get to 950.

once you hit 950 any gear that is not pinnacle will not be an increase in light level, they will all be 950 or lower.


thats all it means.

Prime engrams continue to drop at your power level once you go beyond 950. Once you're 951, your primes will drop at 951. Can be useful for filling any gaps.

fair enough... but people are talking like "Pinnacle" gear means something, its not special, it might not even be GOOD... its just that it will be higher light level.

[Hex]

Цитата допису MOSLEY:

Of course. Don't do any damage testing or look at actual stats which are readily available. Just fire up a random strike and go by feel. Great advice.

Shooting actual enemies isn't damage testing? Please, elaborate, what is it? And all the stats are in the STATS screen of items, if you need guides to figure out what magazine size means then you have far greater problems.

[Mistral]

lol, i'm like a new light when it comes to these things so i can kind of relate. i just went with the bottom line of 'any weapon types i like takes priority'. for example, i hate fusion rifles so most of them get sharded, but i do keep some that i think has nice rolls, i have probably two or three of wizened rebuke.

When it comes to armour, i just choose one of each element with the stats i like. i have different preference for each class, like mob/rec/disc for hunter, rec/disc/int for warlock then mob/disc/str for titan so having preference like that can also help with choosing what armour to keep and what not to keep. not to mention, better stat rolls means you can play around with more mods and makes it cheaper resource-wise when you do start upgrading them.

That's just my two cents about this anyway