How is Thorn Good in PVP?

[AlastairKD]

I've been having a lot of fun with this weapon in PVE but I dont see the mass appeal it has to quite a few people in PVP, its time to kill is too high compared to other handcannons and its body shot damage is abysmal without Soul Devourer. I've lost every gunfight against other handcannons so far because this weapon is unreliable without its buff. This is not the "2 tap monster" I've been told it is. How am I supposed to use this weapon if not for aggressive assaults like with every other hand cannon?

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by Mr. Mellow:

Originally posted by R A Z E R:

Thorn's strenght still lies in the minor burning that you get, the burning ticks up to 34 damage per shot and has no fall of range... Kinda like sunshot's explosive payload, where as it does extra about 24 extra damage per shot with no fall off damage.

The tick damage without remnant is tiny though, and with teammates usually stealing final blows from me I cant get a single remnant.

That's what pvp is about lol. It's nothing really new that teammates steal your kills.. Anyway, thorn by itself is a great handcannon if you can land those headshots or upper bodyshots properly.

[Anti Homeless Rock]

Thorn's pretty good right now. The range changes to Hand Cannons doesn't affect it nearly as much as the others, and that's solely due to its burn damage. It lets you do a 2 crit 1 body kill, where as other 150 hand cannons need to land all 3 crits. Once Soul Devourer's up, you can land 2 crits, and let them burn out.

[AlastairKD]

How do I work with the weapons bizarre recoil? It feels like every shot places it off and to the right.

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by Mr. Mellow:

How do I work with the weapons bizarre recoil? It feels like every shot places it off and to the right.

Practise your shots is all you can do, unless there is a armor mod that recudes weapon recoil that i'm not aware about.

[Moondane]

Move your mouse down and left or wait for it to stabilize.

[AlastairKD]

Are there any recoil compensation armor mods?

[ERROR1018]

Originally posted by R A Z E R:

Originally posted by Mr. Mellow:

But it does horrible initial damage compared to others, I've lost every hand cannon duel with this.

Last word also does about 50 damage on bodyshots, same as with thorn.. You just gotta learn how to properly use it..

What are bodyshots?

Good HC duels are headshots only and that's just table stakes I'm afraid

[Moondane]

Originally posted by Mr. Mellow:

Are there any recoil compensation armor mods?

Nope, but the recoil on Thorn is nothing special compared to other HCs... only 110 and the likes have huge recoil.

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by ERROR1018:

Originally posted by R A Z E R:

Last word also does about 50 damage on bodyshots, same as with thorn.. You just gotta learn how to properly use it..

What are bodyshots?

Good HC duels are headshots only and that's just table stakes I'm afraid

Just shots in the upper chest.

[AlastairKD]

I just tried Momentum, Thorn is even worse there because the instant shield gain on kill negates its poison.

[ERROR1018]

Originally posted by R A Z E R:

Originally posted by ERROR1018:

What are bodyshots?

Good HC duels are headshots only and that's just table stakes I'm afraid

Just shots in the upper chest.

Sorry if my sarcasm didn't make it through ;)

If you're landing bodyshots in a handcannon duel, you're losing. HC doesn't matter at that point, skill does.

[AlastairKD]

Can we maybe have Thorn reworked so that it doesnt need this remnant thing to be good? It just doesnt feel viable in PVP the way it is and most of the time collecting a remnant gets me killed.

[AlastairKD]

I shouldn't be punished for trying to use a mandatory perk on this gun.

[Moondane]

Dude, you don't like the weapon, plenty of people do, move on to another

[Videogame Jukebox]

Ive never used it in 2, but in the first game it took 3 body shots for the dot to kill them and just run away lol. that gun caused a lot of anger.