AMD FX-8350 I have a fix for most!

[ikillyou4452]

I have a outdated entry level gaming pc. nothing fancy. Arma 3 IS THE ONLY GAME that crashes my PC. I have done extensive research and diag. and these are my findings.

MY BUILD:

CPU: AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0 GHz (4.2 GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W FD8350FRHKBOX Desktop Processor.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/fx-8350
GPU: Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 4GB D5
https://gyazo.com/2ea6a8341b97c7599fe0023bfbe4eda7
RAM: 16GB (Dual 8GB Hyper X cards)
https://gyazo.com/c34388cbc14d117a3f3abb0fdb080e55
MOTHERBOARD: 970-A DS3P MSI Gaming board
https://gyazo.com/e8c24e121a8777c479cec8a998d5c702
PSU: EVGA 500B

So first let me explain the issue I was having. Arma 3 would literally crash my PC. Screen locks, annoying noise, and its absolutely useless. Reset is the only way to get it back. SO WTF?

Digging in
So first I figured, "it could be my system, maybe some registry keys are out of whack.
https://gyazo.com/7df66854209bdd4845ed130924c094d0

Turns out the error is Windows Update (WSUS)
Unrelated.

ok so the integrity is OK besides Windows being an asshat.
Then I started diving into Software.
Maybe something was interfering with a script in Arma.

So i dove into a few hundred threads and came across someone who did some extensive testing on AMD built CP's and he found out that THIS GUY (Link below) caused an issue only with AMD firmware that would cause a symptom similar to that of a thermal shutdown. an Extension would be called for on a .dll file and it interfered with the data tracker. SO i unchecked it.

https://gyazo.com/0aa64da85c3fe5df9457dff83dd1c367
This is located in "Launcher Options" in the Arma launcher

STILL CRASHING..............
Ok well we arent done in the software part yet. (Far from it)
I started to adjust in game settings to help get a better performance and stability.
SO i changed around some of the startup Parameters.

These are the only settings I tinkered with.
https://gyazo.com/9b49ab108a5cfade94eda5bfb0745b79

Stability improved for a longer duration before game would crash.
...........................
WHY??
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Further diagnosing
Then I ran multiple system checks and monitors to log how the system was reacting on ARMA.
I WAS EXPERIENCING ACTUAL THERMAL SHUTDOWNS....... CPU COOKING AT 80C+

So i changed a bunch a settings in game to take some load off of my CPU and more to my GPU ( NOT MUCH CAN BE DONE BUT IT HELPS )
https://gyazo.com/41a9ce6330d23c059aead7ff7f2fb138
https://gyazo.com/215d0f0c89bf3f906da649c24bec52cd
https://gyazo.com/aedebe130b67b3dd17dded3bd668fe4a

Still CRASHED!!

WELL WTF?! So i dove into my BIOS because Arma is more CPU related than GPU and I underclocked (4.0Ghz to 3.5Ghz) and changed the vcore to a lower setting. my CPU temp floated around 30C on desktop idling......... This isnt right... Poor setup for cooling? NOPE. These things just run hot unless its liquid cooled. ( I HAVE 5 FANS ) feels like a mini tornado inside the case.

I also took off the "turbo boost" or "voltage boost" cause it causes stability issues.

Didnt think underclocking should affect it so I put it back to 4.0Ghz. Start up became wacky so i underclocked it again to 3.5Ghz ( MOST STABLE IT HAS EVER BEEN )

So what does everything look like under a load!
30 minutes in
https://gyazo.com/d3f506c178ab510b874e28fe5cc20b99
no crash and its running at a smooth 45- 50FPS

UPDATE
I no longer have this build.

RYZEN 5 2600X 6 - core @ 3600Mhz
same GPU
updated Motherboard (ASRock B450M)
equivalent ram (Corsair) this time

[Sgt Smash]

I've a lot of times in the past this being a PSU problem being faulty and only showing problems with Arma 3 and not tother games, and when users have either sent their rig back to be fixed or replaced their PSU the problem was fixed.

[ikillyou4452]

running a stability test and benchmark on AMD Overdrive.. Ill post results

UPDATE:
Stability test and somewhat of a stress test
https://gyazo.com/2e7e031a9206b5f5ece1b219fd2b2327
result: towards the end my temp margins got a little small , scary but they were steady.

Benchmark
https://gyazo.com/177f406f0c6f21c32e55d6757d37ff9f

UPDATE:
Just got done logging 4 hrs straight with absolutely no issues. NO CRASHES. and my temp margin remained above 20C so it was operating at a cool 50-55C like it should.

IF ANY PC DUDE SEE's ANY COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH MY HARDWARE OR SUGGESTED SOFTWARE PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS, INFORM ME

[[AU] Tabris:DarkPeace]

Are you seriously overclocking with an EVGA 500B?

[ikillyou4452]

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Are you seriously overclocking with an EVGA 500B?

No, reread bud, im underclocking and undervolting. to increase stability. I have literally solved my issue. AND possibly many other AMD FX 8350 users. AMD is budget based performance. I took a non optimized piece of hardware and made it compatible with an AMD killer game. Stable too.

the CPU I'm using comes stock at 4.0Ghz on all cores with high voltage settings that they claim is needed to achieve best results. Those voltage settings are not optimized.

[[AU] Tabris:DarkPeace]

I’m running AMD too.

An AMD 2950X and I don’t have to under-clock and/or under-volt it.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x

[ikillyou4452]

You have a 2nd gen Ryzen. There is a HUGE performance gap between the FX series and the Ryzen series. The Ryzen was better straight from the factory cause Intel did some sleezy ♥♥♥♥ and AMD caught on. If I were to upgrade my AMD build, a Ryzen chip would be next. Do some research into those particular chipsets and you will see exactly what im talking about. Stability being one of the biggest factors.

You have 16 cores/32 threads.... An FX CPU is made up of "modules" that each consist of 2 integer processing units and one floating point unit. So an 8 "core" FX does indeed have 8 processing cores sharing 4 floating point units.

[[AU] Tabris:DarkPeace]

My point is you shouldn’t have to spend a weekend or longer Configuring your computer 🖥.

There’s obviously some sort of hardware fault, probably the PSU is far too weak.

[ikillyou4452]

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My point is you shouldn’t have to spend a weekend or longer Configuring your computer 🖥.

There’s obviously some sort of hardware fault, probably the PSU is far too weak.

I don't see how my PSU is the issue. Especially if I'm experiencing thermal shutdowns. My CPU is getting to hot. Are you not reading my post? The FX series is poorly optimized. Owning one of these, before the release of the Ryzen series, is likely for most AMD builders. Are you trolling me right now? My CPU has ALL the power it needs on demand with no stability issues in the frequency.... PSU is not the issue. I ruled that out. please read my post.

[Sgt Smash]

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My point is you shouldn’t have to spend a weekend or longer Configuring your computer 🖥.

There’s obviously some sort of hardware fault, probably the PSU is far too weak.

I don't see how my PSU is the issue. Especially if I'm experiencing thermal shutdowns. My CPU is getting to hot. Are you not reading my post? The FX series is poorly optimized. Owning one of these, before the release of the Ryzen series, is likely for most AMD builders. Are you trolling me right now? My CPU has ALL the power it needs on demand with no stability issues in the frequency.... PSU is not the issue. I ruled that out. please read my post.

Funny as that is the same stuff everyone said before what my reply above happens!

[ikillyou4452]

..................... NO ONE IS READING THAT THE VOLTAGE IS NOT OPTIMIZED....... READ PEOPLE READ................

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sgt Smash:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ikillyou4452:

I don't see how my PSU is the issue. Especially if I'm experiencing thermal shutdowns. My CPU is getting to hot. Are you not reading my post? The FX series is poorly optimized. Owning one of these, before the release of the Ryzen series, is likely for most AMD builders. Are you trolling me right now? My CPU has ALL the power it needs on demand with no stability issues in the frequency.... PSU is not the issue. I ruled that out. please read my post.

Funny as that is the same stuff everyone said before what my reply above happens!

..................... NO ONE IS READING THAT THE VOLTAGE IS NOT OPTIMIZED....... READ PEOPLE READ................IT WILL CRASH NOT BECAUSE OF THE PSU! IT CRASHES BECAUSE ITS DRAWING TO MUCH VOLTAGE TO THE CPU AND COOKING IT..... FFS

[ikillyou4452]

AMD is poorly optimized..... I have switched out the PSU with a 650W...... It makes no DIFFERENCE AT ALL! The CPU has poor voltage optimization unless its liquid cooled it will cook.

[Sgt Smash]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ikillyou4452:

..................... NO ONE IS READING THAT THE VOLTAGE IS NOT OPTIMIZED....... READ PEOPLE READ................

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sgt Smash:

Funny as that is the same stuff everyone said before what my reply above happens!

..................... NO ONE IS READING THAT THE VOLTAGE IS NOT OPTIMIZED....... READ PEOPLE READ................IT WILL CRASH NOT BECAUSE OF THE PSU! IT CRASHES BECAUSE ITS DRAWING TO MUCH VOLTAGE TO THE CPU AND COOKING IT..... FFS

No sure if you have a problem reading but i have not once said this WAS your problem!
I was only saying that this has been the very same symptoms other users i had seen with FX platform that their PSU was giving more power that it was reading and only seem to rear its head when playing Arma 3. Understand now?

And yes FX 8350 needs water cooling if you live anywhere that temps go above 18c. used H60i on mine

[ikillyou4452]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sgt Smash:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ikillyou4452:

..................... NO ONE IS READING THAT THE VOLTAGE IS NOT OPTIMIZED....... READ PEOPLE READ................



..................... NO ONE IS READING THAT THE VOLTAGE IS NOT OPTIMIZED....... READ PEOPLE READ................IT WILL CRASH NOT BECAUSE OF THE PSU! IT CRASHES BECAUSE ITS DRAWING TO MUCH VOLTAGE TO THE CPU AND COOKING IT..... FFS

No sure if you have a problem reading but i have not once said this WAS your problem!
I was only saying that this has been the very same symptoms other users i had seen with FX platform that their PSU was giving more power that it was reading and only seem to rear its head when playing Arma 3. Understand now?

And yes FX 8350 needs water cooling if you live anywhere that temps go above 18c. used H60i on mine

my apologies gets frustrating when people make an argument against something that is already solved. I Misunderstood where you were coming from

[Sgt Smash]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ikillyou4452:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sgt Smash:

No sure if you have a problem reading but i have not once said this WAS your problem!
I was only saying that this has been the very same symptoms other users i had seen with FX platform that their PSU was giving more power that it was reading and only seem to rear its head when playing Arma 3. Understand now?

And yes FX 8350 needs water cooling if you live anywhere that temps go above 18c. used H60i on mine

my apologies gets frustrating when people make an argument against something that is already solved. I Misunderstood where you were coming from

No problem dude

I used to run my 8350 with a R9 270x, how well is Arma 3 running with a RX 480?

[ikillyou4452]

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my apologies gets frustrating when people make an argument against something that is already solved. I Misunderstood where you were coming from

No problem dude

I used to run my 8350 with a R9 270x, how well is Arma 3 running with a RX 480?

Smooth! Havent had a single issue with my card at all. I can keep the FPS around 40-45 with my view distance set to around 1500 Thanks to its personal clock speed it really handles games well. Turning on Shadows really does help take off the stress on the CPU and it looks better when the GPU renders it. SPINTIRES on high settings is beautiful (Another physics based game). Sniper Elite 4 on Ultra, is beautiful. However I feel my CPU is actually bottlenecking my GPU. Its set up for VR and such. Thats some serious hardware at a low cost.