helicopter movement is wrong (feels like a jet)

[Morrison]

i found out that the movement of the helicopters in this game are not right. when you´re flying forward and try to steer by using the pedals (q and e button) its just not working (just feels like leaning left and rigth but dont really steers), if you whant to steer the heli in that game while flying forward you have to steer it like a jet by rolling it to the side and pulling the nose up, that feels and looks completly wrong, its a helicopter not a jet...
the only way spinning left and right with pedals in this game is as long your not flying forward, than it works but a real heli can fly forward and spin around at the same time and fly thight circles and not has to be steered like a jet by rolling to side and pulling the nose up.... even my little electric toy- heli can do this...

if arma whants to be some kind of a simulation- game this has to be fixed otherwise its just ridiculous...

or is it just my fault and i´m doing something wrong (maybe i need another button for it in this game to do it)? in battlefield (i know its not a simulation game) it feels and looks much better and more realistic than in arma 3...

to proof that a heli can fly forward and spin at the same time here is a link to a video (i know its just a heli-modell but i found no other video where you can see this as good like here)

just look at 1:50, 1:58 and best you see it at 2:33 and you will see what i mean, in arma 3 such moves are not possible atm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fleSWutEwvE

so pls fix that or tell me what i´m doing wrong that it not works for me, i really hope it will be better in the final version of the game...

[SaLaĐiN]

1..2..3 Arma 3 trolls coming how you are wrong

[SaLaĐiN]

but I agree with you, I was talking about it some time ago and I was told I do not know how to fly

[Morrison]

than they told you something wrong, the video proofs that it works with a real chopper, but sadly not in arma 3

[VikingPingvin]

Well....let me explain this to you. First of all...you are wrong.

When acheving a high forward momentum with a helicopter, the aerodynamics keeps it that way, simply because tha tail rotor is located in the back. Imagine the helicopter as a water drop that is falling down, it shrink towards the end) The rushing air prevents the airframe to "spin" against it. You dont need to be helicopter pilot/engineer to know this, just simple knoweledge of physics.

[Stone_313]

Originally posted by Morrison:

than they told you something wrong, the video proofs that it works with a real chopper, but sadly not in arma 3

You do realize that the helo in the vid is a RC plane, right?

[VikingPingvin]

And reacting to the video. That is an RC helicopter and weight/rotor power ratio might be off, compared to real choppers. Also, the real problem is, high-speed feeling is not implemented in arma, so when you fly really fast, you don't really feel like it. Such manouvre is completely possible in Arma3, until a reasonable forward momentum.

[SaLaĐiN]

Originally posted by StoneCold313:

Originally posted by Morrison:

than they told you something wrong, the video proofs that it works with a real chopper, but sadly not in arma 3

You do realize that the helo in the vid is a RC plane, right?

You do realize they work the same way, right. Or have you seen any RC plane to do what a real airplane cant in terms of physics and movement? I have not. Same laws work for both.

[Veristä mössöä]

Just watch tutorials...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOs8TU6RsKA

As you can see helicopter flies in very natural way. Learn to play. ;)

[Stone_313]

Originally posted by SaLaDiN:

Originally posted by StoneCold313:

You do realize that the helo in the vid is a RC plane, right?

You do realize they work the same way, right. Or have you seen any RC plane to do what a real airplane cant in terms of physics and movement? I have not. Same laws work for both.

First, you called it a real chopper. Second, have you seen a RC plane do those turns with airspeed of 152 knots(282km/h, top speed of the MH-6 Littlebird)?

If you fly at the speeds you saw the helo go in the video, you can do "rudder" turns just fine. But not in the higher speeds and it was explained by Viking few posts above..

[SaLaĐiN]

I didnt call anything a "real chopper"... You can make a RC plane by your own with enough funds and skills which will be capable of doing it. Physics, anyone? US army already did it, believe me as you believe in Obama.

[Stone_313]

^

Oh my bad, it was Morrison who called it a real chopper.

And you do make a RC plane capable of reaching those speeds and then come tell us if you can do those turns with it in said speeds.. :P

[Wakey]

The only "wrong" thing about helicopters in arma is that they auto correct.
I don't know all the fine terms they use, but try playing a simulator like Black Shark. Pretty much the same... In Black Shark you "just" have to constantly change the rear rotor power, main rotor blade's angle and so on. Thank God we don't have to do all that in arma.

[Morrison]

rc choppers are made like real choppers only smaller, what you can do with a rc chopper is even possible with a real chopper, i have never seen a chopper before that has to be steered like a jet by rolling to side and pulling the nose up... and spinning is even not working at low speeds in arma (only when youre standing still it works), after the moment you put the nose down you cant spin it anymore in that game, no matter at what speed... i dont whant that the chopper is spinable at fullspeed, but at lower speed it should work, i even think its possible at higher speeds cause of the back-rotor and the moveable mainrotorblades, but i would be happy if it at least would work on low speed in this game...
and dont forget that many combat-choppers have turbines left and right if you fly forward and than using only one of the 2 turbines the chopper should definatly steer while flying forward (without rolling it before)

is here no one that has really a helicopter- license and tell us who is right? i cant believe that i have to fly a chopper like a jet....

ps: sry for my bad english, i hope you can understand what i mean

[VikingPingvin]

So, again, i try to explain this to you.....the thing is....you are going too fast for such manouvers to be possible because the aerodynamics. Going slower grants you that ability. You just don't feel the speed in ARMA. Please try to understand this. And yes, in higher speeds you DO need to use the rolling to side then pull up. (( You can trust me on this, i learning aeroplane engineering ))

[VikingPingvin]

For example, the AH-9 Pawnee loses the rudder ability at around 180-190 Km/h, which is more or less, realistic. And the turbines doesn't really help while at high speeds either. Only makes spinning more effective at LOWER speeds.