First and third person views

[magrathea3]

Dslyecxi has made a new vid about the third vs first person issue.

He makes the case well

http://store.steampowered.com

[Ridgeback]

He's right in what he says but it really depends what you're wanting out of your game. I normally switch between 1st and 3rd person view depending on the situation normally I'll be in 3rd person but when piloting a helicopter, in close combat or on a vehicle gunner position I'll switch to first, don't know why it's just habit and and I suppose my comfortable way of play.

I don't see a issue with servers allowing 3rd person nor do I see an issue with them limiting view to 1st as when playing giant other players everyone have the same options so nobody has an advantage over the other, don't like it then find a server that supports your play style. Admittedly though if you are playing "realism" then you should probably be in 1st person view as its more, well real.

[magrathea3]

Originally posted by Fear the Reaper:

I don't see a issue with servers allowing 3rd person nor do I see an issue with them limiting view to 1st as when playing giant other players everyone have the same options so nobody has an advantage over the other

Sure. but that argument (everyone has the same advantage) could also be made if everyone could see all other players anywhere on the map - everyone has the same advantage, so there is no problem..right? Well, while it's true that nobody has an advantage if everyone can see everyone else, the nature of the game has fundamentally changed. At the end of the day, of course it's ok; people should play the way they want to. I just don't get why people who want the in-game ability to see other players over / through walls would also want to play a game whose main competitive factor is discovering where the enemy is and making sure the enemy doesn't know where you are.

[Ridgeback]

Originally posted by magrathea3:

Sure. but that argument (everyone has the same advantage) could also be made if everyone could see all other players anywhere on the map - everyone has the same advantage, so there is no problem..right? Well, while it's true that nobody has an advantage if everyone can see everyone else, the nature of the game has fundamentally changed. At the end of the day, of course it's ok; people should play the way they want to. I just don't get why people who want the in-game ability to see other players over / through walls would also want to play a game whose main competitive factor is discovering where the enemy is and making sure the enemy doesn't know where you are.

I really don't understand the issue here, I mean I doubt the majority of people who use 3rd person use it because it lets them see round corners / over walls and such, I think it's more about what people are comfortable with and just preference, the looking over walls and around corners is more like a reflex, as said in the video people pretty much do it subconsciously. One of the great things about Arma is that it really does give its players the freedom to play as they wish and the limitations I find are minimal. For me seeing my guy running about, walking, changing stances, sitting and what not adds something that first person view does not. Although I do still play first person from time to time.

Also the driving experience in 1st pretty much sucks in arma 2 at least, much improved in A3 although if I remember right driving in armoured vehicles is bland in 1st.

[Condorscondor]

i recently have been playing infantry wih 1st person on. flying and driving however i almost allways stick with 3rd. may change that tho.

[Dirkyd]

Originally posted by Fear the Reaper:

Originally posted by magrathea3:

Sure. but that argument (everyone has the same advantage) could also be made if everyone could see all other players anywhere on the map - everyone has the same advantage, so there is no problem..right? Well, while it's true that nobody has an advantage if everyone can see everyone else, the nature of the game has fundamentally changed. At the end of the day, of course it's ok; people should play the way they want to. I just don't get why people who want the in-game ability to see other players over / through walls would also want to play a game whose main competitive factor is discovering where the enemy is and making sure the enemy doesn't know where you are.

I really don't understand the issue here, I mean I doubt the majority of people who use 3rd person use it because it lets them see round corners / over walls and such, I think it's more about what people are comfortable with and just preference, the looking over walls and around corners is more like a reflex, as said in the video people pretty much do it subconsciously. One of the great things about Arma is that it really does give its players the freedom to play as they wish and the limitations I find are minimal. For me seeing my guy running about, walking, changing stances, sitting and what not adds something that first person view does not. Although I do still play first person from time to time.

Also the driving experience in 1st pretty much sucks in arma 2 at least, much improved in A3 although if I remember right driving in armoured vehicles is bland in 1st.

But that's the issue here is the majority of people DO use it as an advantage. Now my experience is it's doesn't make them insanely good, in fact I experience the opposite, I find I can tell by a players play style if he is a 3rd person player or a 1st person player. I find 3rd person players to be predictable, and honestly noobish (yes there are exceptions). I just think 3rd person is like arma with training wheels, after a point it keeps you from getting better. I personally don't mind 3rd person with infantry, but vehicle 3rd person is just a joke and a major major crutch used to counter act lack of skill.

[Misha Mavashi]

Hello guys. Help if you can - how I can use the tripod? Or it is impossible

[B✪✪tsy]

My god, people that are using 3th person is now a different kind of player? I use both 3th and 1st for years in arma. 3th person simple gives you better aea awareness which lacks a bit in 1st person so you can see what is moving besides you (just like in real life) without having to turn your head/camera constantly. It totally depends on the situation if I will use 1st or 3th person view. So I am a noob now? lmao

[Dirkyd]

Originally posted by B00tsy:

My god, people that are using 3th person is now a different kind of player? I use both 3th and 1st for years in arma. 3th person simple gives you better aea awareness which lacks a bit in 1st person so you can see what is moving besides you (just like in real life) without having to turn your head/camera constantly. It totally depends on the situation if I will use 1st or 3th person view. So I am a noob now? lmao

1. It's 3rd person not 3th person.

2. They are a different kind of player, often with a noticeable play style, and generally will fall into the more casual wasteland/dayz crowd.

3. It is in no way like real life. In real life when you take cover you can't see over said cover without exposing yourself. Instead you need to rely on other senses like hearing. This is the big difference between 1st and 3rd person. In 3rd person you rely on your invisible shoulder cam to peer around corners and over walls. In 1st person you rely more on on hearing and cautious movement, and I find for myself running around in 3rd person can actually reduce my situational awareness.

4. I said MOST are noobish, simply because most experienced Arma players don't touch 3rd person as it kills immersion and challenge. For example, anyone can fly a helicopter and land it in 3rd person, but their is a huge skill gap between a pilot that needs 3rd person to land precisely and one that can land precisely using only 1st person.

5. This is all down to personal preference, I merely am stating that it really hurts a player more than it helps in the long run. I use to play 3rd person when I started Arma, but noticed a HUGE change in my skill level once I dropped it.

[B✪✪tsy]

Again, you are talking about the dayz and wasteland kids, that in itself has nothing to do with 3th and 1st person view. They will play the same in any view (they play CoD in 1st view too). I can play (just like any arma player) in 1st view just fine, that does not mean that I therefor do not use 3th person view. When I in real life look around me I do not have to turn my head 80 dedrees constantly just to see what is going on next to me, I do that with my eyes. Thats why 3th person has been added to ArmA, because again, it gives a better visual awareness in the field. That is what the Devs too stated many times in the past.

So no a player that uses also 3th view does not make him a different kind of player.

[Dirkyd]

Originally posted by B00tsy:

Again, you are talking about the dayz and wasteland kids, that in itself has nothing to do with 3th and 1st person view. They will play the same in any view (they play CoD in 1st view too). I can play (just like any arma player) in 1st view just fine, that does not mean that I therefor do not use 3th person view. When I in real life look around me I do not have to turn my head 80 dedrees constantly just to see what is going on next to me, I do that with my eyes. Thats why 3th person has been added to ArmA, because again, it gives a better visual awareness in the field. That is what the Devs too stated many times in the past.

So no a player that uses also 3th view does not make him a different kind of player.

Dayz/Wasteland actually has everything to do with 3rd/1st person view, as the majority of that crowd represents the 3rd person community.

Also, they do play differently, I can usually predict a players movements pretty accurately on 3rd person servers. This is generally due to tactics being thrown out the window because of the advantage of 3rd person.

Now I personally find most 3rd person servers to be a turkey shoot, but there are clear situations where even if both players are using 3rd person, one person has a very clear advantage. I personally never using 3rd person anymore, and that honestly has improved my survivability.

And yes, the devs implemented 3rd person as a means to simulate peripheral vision and your other senses. But tbh it gives you superhuman ability and is poorly implemented for the manner it was intended. The best means the devs implemented to add awareness and simulate peripheral vision would be the num - key, but that doesnt work in Arma 3.

Of course there are always exceptions, and like you said, you use 1st person view mostly. So you don't really fall into the category of player I am reffering too.

[Dufflebags]

If third person just makes the player weaker than you who cares? Gravy baby. Besides, I'm sure a little while after full release we will start to see more rule specific servers so everyone can be happy. There's no sense in adding or removing anything like that from the product this late in the game.

[Ridgeback]

Ghost, you are taking out of your ass. Sorry but you are coming over as some elitist "1st person is pro and 3rd person is for noobs and cheats". And saying that Dayz and wasteland have a lot to do (or everything to do in your own words) with people playing 3rd person is bull. I have a strong dislike for DayZ and Wasteland but blaming them for peoples play-style which has been around a lot longer than those mods are is crap.

To wrap this up, if you want 1st person gameplay then join servers that enforce 1st person. If you have trouble finding 1st person games then host your own. Arma is a sandbox, play it the way you want to and quit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about how others play.

[That-Guy]

Somebody please help me, I have a laptop without the numpad and therefore can't use third person singleplayer. What do I do?

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by That-Guy:

Somebody please help me, I have a laptop without the numpad and therefore can't use third person singleplayer. What do I do?

I'm pretty sure you have a key that says "FN" or "function". Most laptop-style keyboards have numpad hidden on the right side of the keyboard. Just press the function key and the corresponding key (somewhere around uiojklm,.).

[Manwith Noname]

If, like me, your laptop does not have the "FN" button to enable an overlaid numpad, go into configure then controls. Can't remember what it's called exactly but it's something like "Select View" or "Toggle View".

Re bind it to something else.

Edit: It's "Toggle View". Also, to correct myself, I have an "FN" button but do not have a numpad overlay option.