Worse grass rendering?

[Raio]

Hey guys, is it just me, or is realy grass more "sharp" and ugly, then before ?

Did some update happened or something ? I feel like this problem is about 2-3weeks old.

ultra settings:
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Extreme: (grass is even worse)
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[Chuck Jiggles]

No, there's been no changes to grass lately. Make sure that your Level of Alpha To Coverage Anti-Aliasing setting (AtoC) is not turned off or some program or driver isn't interfering with the game's AA settings that would cause it to not work properly.

[Raio]

@Chuck Are you sure there wasn't anything minor updated last weeks ? I'm convinced something has changed. My drivers are up to date, ingame settings is tested from the bottom, and 3rd party program is probably out of game, bcs more plp told to me about the grass, its not about my spec I guess. If community didn't spot anything in general, then its probably something in our modpack, or my scenario settings etc.

Thanks 4 reply Chuck.

[Raio]

Would be great to find some way to fix that, I was trying to use "HBAOPlus" ppEffectAdjust but to no avail.

Preview
ultra settings:
Screenshot[i.ibb.co]

Extreme: (grass is even worse)
Screenshot[i.ibb.co]

[Chuck Jiggles]

Are those screenshots taken on a custom map, as it pretty much looks like Novogorsk to me? Maps using cup_terrains have usually worse terrain objects with lighting shimmering and lower resolution textures, since they're ported straight from previous Arma titles.

[stburr91]

Originally posted by Raio:

Would be great to find some way to fix that, I was trying to use "HBAOPlus" ppEffectAdjust but to no avail.

Preview
ultra settings:
Screenshot[i.ibb.co]

Extreme: (grass is even worse)
Screenshot[i.ibb.co]

You are running mods, because that clearly isn't vanilla. It never makes sense to talk about "problems" with the game when you are running mods.

[Raio]

Originally posted by Chuck Jiggles:

Are those screenshots taken on a custom map, as it pretty much looks like Novogorsk to me? Maps using cup_terrains have usually worse terrain objects with lighting shimmering and lower resolution textures, since they're ported straight from previous Arma titles.

It is Novogorsk, you are right, but I tried clean Arma on Altis, and grass didn't seemed much different, there is just lower amount of those models, so its kinda ok to look at. Arma without mods, only Novogorsk added, is the same shi**y view. So I'm a bit confused, if something happen to Arms 3 core. I was used to that map for so long, as player and mission maker. No clue what happen here. Thx for time Chuck.

[Raio]

Originally posted by stburr91:

Originally posted by Raio:

Would be great to find some way to fix that, I was trying to use "HBAOPlus" ppEffectAdjust but to no avail.

Preview
ultra settings:
Screenshot[i.ibb.co]

Extreme: (grass is even worse)
Screenshot[i.ibb.co]

You are running mods, because that clearly isn't vanilla. It never makes sense to talk about "problems" with the game when you are running mods.

I tried vanilla Altis etc, grass is sharp too, don't worry, I tried also Novogorsk only (no other mods), same issue. Thats why I was asking for Arma 3 base files update or something. Just wondering..

[Chuck Jiggles]

So out of curiosity I booted up Novogorsk and spawned around the same area I tried to geolocate from your screenshots. This is how my grass looks like with Ultra settings and ATOC on. I'm also playing with 125% sampling. Nvidia card. I have my sharpness % at 50 with 2x MSAA + FXAA Ultra so that the foliage lines don't look too sharp and shimmer on my monitor when in motion & ATOC works.

https://i.imgur.com/ZwOhGOa.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/4uE1Wd8.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/NzfI0Rt.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Q2GRndv.jpeg

Other than you using QuadHD monitor and different sharpness/AA settings I don't see that much of a difference in the general foliage model/texture quality.

[Raio]

@Chuck Dev.Built can be a bit different in render, but your pics looks much better. Well, i don't rly know, probably multiple factors. Time will probably tell.

[Chuck Jiggles]

Originally posted by Raio:

@Chuck Dev.Built can be a bit different in render, but your pics looks much better.

From my knowledge dev uses the same render as stable and it at least looks the same as stable to me.

Anyhow, given that your screenshot looks fine to me if not with a much higher fidelity and sharper image quality than mine given that you have a QuadHD monitor (I have plain 1920x1080), I think that the case here is that you just need to find a good balance between your monitor resolution, AA settings and sharpening slider. Steam compression makes my screenshots look muddy, but I use the game's oversampling option to make the textures and edges look good and balance out the general blurriness that FXAA Ultra causes that helps with foliage.

If my game image settings are not balanced or set up correctly for my monitor, I do get very sharp ugly looking grass that shimmers every time I move my character and hurts my eyes. This shows up especially on modded maps that use lower quality cup_terrains objects.

I do not rule out that you could have a genuine GPU or monitor or game related issue that causes your game to not anti-alias grass correctly, as there have been cases with AMD cards where new drivers break ATOC etc., but this is all I can manage to help you with.

[Raio]

Your points are very valid, thank You for answering. I've managed to solve the problem. Issue was hidden in various factors: for example time\lightning settings in scenario.

Solved:
https://i.ibb.co/qmc02nF/Arm-A-3-Screenshot-2024-12-17-23-17-06-33.png
https://i.ibb.co/bXb4FYX/Arm-A-3-Screenshot-2024-12-17-23-26-07-59.png

Thx for you time sir!