In the defence of MilSim, from a MilSim gamer

[Westonsammy]

This is a long post, please don't reply without reading the entire thing, it may clear something up for you.



I'm very tired of the critisim and steryeotyping (Except for satire, which I find quite hilarious) leveraged at milsimmers in ArmA, so I decided to make a post on why I think it is wrong to attack MilSim players for palying they way they do within ArmA. Keep in mind that I do play MilSim myself within ArmA, but also play many games that would be considered "arcadey"

Now, let me explain why I feel that milsimmers should not be critized for playing the way they do in ArmA.

ArmA is one of the only Milsim-type games currently out there, and in my opnion, one of the best. The only similar game I can think of is the Project Reality mod for Battlefield 2, which is still very, very different from ArmA. The rest of the milsim genre tends to be small team, infantry based CQC shooters like Insurgency.

While many "arcade" gamers have a plethora of options, such as Halo, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Team Fortress, Counter Strike, ect, Milsimmers who want a good experience pretty much only have ArmA. So I do not see why gamers who prefer "arcadey" playstyles over milsim playstyles feel they have the right to come to the only decent milsim game out there, start playing it as an arcade shooter, and then critisize the milsim community for playing the way they do.

If someone came into CoD, Battlefield, or any other arcade shooter and tried playing it like a milsim game, trying to use advanced tactics, giving commands, ect., not only would they suck at the game itself, but people would hate them for not playing the game the way it is meant to be played. And god forbid they started critisizing CoD or Battlefield players for running and gunning.

So how can you reverse the roles and do the same thing to ArmA? I constantly see threads and videos (again, not the satire) in the ArmA community that critisize those treating ArmA as a serious milsim game, which, although with mod support it may not be 100% of a time, it sure as hell is the closest thing the gaming world has to a milsim game today.

Again, I have never heard of anyone trying to play milsim in an arcade game, but all I have to do is bring up the ArmA 3 top server list to show you hundreds of people trying to play an arcade game in a milsim game.

And that ♥♥♥♥es me off.

It ♥♥♥♥es me off because milsim players just want to play milsim, and one of the last places to do that, ArmA, is now being overrun with people who want to play with an aracde playstyle.

And for what reason? Many of the most popular arcade gamemodes in ArmA, such as Life, Wasteland, and DayZ mod have many equivalents outside of ArmA, many that vastly surpass what the ArmA gamemodes can offer. Some examples would be GTA/Gmod RP, Rust, and DayZ SA/All the dayz ripoffs, respectively.



So please, try to have some respect for those that just want to enjoy the game like you, there is no reason to be so aggressively against those who just want to be left alone so that they can play the game the way they want. We milsimmers have nothing against you playing an arcade game as an arcade game, so please don't have anything against us for playing a milsim game as an milsim game.

[TheKingOfBabylon]

People on both sides need to chill out, you can play the games you buy in whatever manner you find to be fun. Its incredibly immature to try and dictate how other people should play a game doesnt matter what it was originally made to be.

[Westonsammy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ranger4340:

People on both sides need to chill out, you can play the games you buy in whatever manner you find to be fun. Its incredibly immature to try and dictate how other people should play a game doesnt matter what it was originally made to be.

Exactley

[Cyber Nyran]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Westonsammy:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ranger4340:

People on both sides need to chill out, you can play the games you buy in whatever manner you find to be fun. Its incredibly immature to try and dictate how other people should play a game doesnt matter what it was originally made to be.

Exactley

well...i find it strange people critising people playing a military simulator the way it was meant to be played lol. You know? its kind of bizarre. Its a military simulator, so chances are peopel are going to want it to be as realistic as they can make it. Thats what they find fun in ARMA.

Bohemia didn tput in the exhusting Team /Squad leader options that they did for no reason. Right down to checking SITREP.

I DO however think Bohemia should make 25 smaller maps carved up out of its giant terrains and have a fun territory grab mode where people that do want to play ARMA just for PVP run around and grab bases and shoot stuff, i think it would b egood for ARMA to have something like that as an xtra game mode (not a server or mod). But keep everything it has now, but hav esome extra game modes . So people that just want to run around and have fun can do that.

You can if you can be bothered using the editor, but it seems some people cant be bothered with the editor to make the Ai do whatever you want them to do.

Me i play ARMA like Ghost recon with my own missions i create and play them out tactically differently everytime , i make the Ai pretty much do whatever i want them to do.

So yeah, i fcking Loooooooooove this game. Its also the only tactical military shooter out there right now.

[Skooma Addict]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Westonsammy:

Exactley

well...i find it strange people critising people playing a military simulator the way it was meant to be played lol. You know? its kind of bizarre. Its a military simulator, so chances are peopel are going to want it to be as realistic as they can make it. Thats what they find fun in ARMA.

Bohemia didn tput in the exhusting Team /Squad leader options that they did for no reason. Right down to checking SITREP.

I DO however think Bohemia should make 25 smaller maps carved up out of its giant terrains and have a fun territory grab mode where people that do want to play ARMA just for PVP run around and grab bases and shoot stuff, i think it would b egood for ARMA to have something like that as an xtra game mode (not a server or mod). But keep everything it has now, but hav esome extra game modes . So people that just want to run around and have fun can do that.

You can if you can be bothered using the editor, but it seems some people cant be bothered with the editor to make the Ai do whatever you want them to do.

Me i play ARMA like Ghost recon with my own missions i create and play them out tactically differently everytime , i make the Ai pretty much do whatever i want them to do.

So yeah, i fcking Loooooooooove this game. Its also the only tactical military shooter out there right now.

There is a difference between playing seriously/realistic and and roleplaying like in the life and "realism" groups. For instance, you can play MS Flight Simulator or KSP and you dont have to dress up as a pilot or an astronaugt.
Some people are just annoyed at all the heavy roleplaying in this game now a days, many just want to have fun with their friends completeing objectives and killing ai or players, but instead have to deal with a comacon like environment lol. I personally, dont really care, ive played for 500h mostly in wasteland, but i see why people do get frusturated with some of these guys, it can be silly or even nonsensical, to non roleplayers.

[Dj Otacon]

Your wall of text is simply false.

No one is attacking communities in general. Just the fact that these communities forced to play in a certain way is critical.

There are very few posts discussed this in general. I've only seen one or two.

Overall communities of players all worlds apart. But if it is true that a false atmosphere prevails pseudo militarism.

Personally for me, the goal of these communities is to attract players to pay rates of the servers.

I have seen everything in communities and rarely a good thing.

Players scammed, threats and all sorts of traps when playing.

But this is something that happens in the real world too. Just do not have to play with people like that.

As for your supposed defense is simply the result of boredom.

Here in the forum are precisely realistic players attacking the casual players.

And are the players who attack fiercely realistic the game.

[Westonsammy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dj Otacon:

There are very few posts discussed this in general. I've only seen one or two.

Then you obviously haven't been around much. It is never hard to find either threads, replies, videos, ect critisizing and steryeotyping those who play milsim in ArmA 3. Although I can't be bothered to find them for you, they pop up all the time.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dj Otacon:

Personally for me, the goal of these communities is to attract players to pay rates of the servers.

I have seen everything in communities and rarely a good thing.

Players scammed, threats and all sorts of traps when playing.

I have been in many milsim groups, and have NEVER seen or heard of any of these practices. The only time I have heard of groups asking for money is when the owners cannot pay off the server bill themselves.

On the other hand, this sort of practice is much more common with wasteland/life communities, which usually charge you money for "packages" that let you start off with better stuff in-game (Which is stupid, IMO)

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dj Otacon:

Here in the forum are precisely realistic players attacking the casual players.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Westonsammy:

Keep in mind that I do play MilSim myself within ArmA, but also play many games that would be considered "arcadey"

Początkowo opublikowane przez Westonsammy:

We milsimmers have nothing against you playing an arcade game as an arcade game,

[Skooma Addict]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Westonsammy:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dj Otacon:

There are very few posts discussed this in general. I've only seen one or two.

Then you obviously haven't been around much. It is never hard to find either threads, replies, videos, ect critisizing and steryeotyping those who play milsim in ArmA 3. Although I can't be bothered to find them for you, they pop up all the time.

DJ has over 1,000 in game........ you only have 400

[Manwith Noname]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Skooma Addict:

For instance, you can play MS Flight Simulator or KSP and you dont have to dress up as a pilot or an astronaugt.

*Quietly hangs his spacesuit back in the wardrobe*

[Westonsammy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Skooma Addict:

DJ has over 1,000 in game........ you only have 400

Hours arent representative of time spent on forums and other forms of community outside of the actual game, also I have been playing the ArmA series since ArmA 2.

But this shouldn't have to matter, because we both have more than enough hours to be strong members of the community.

[Westonsammy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Skooma Addict:

For instance, you can play MS Flight Simulator or KSP and you dont have to dress up as a pilot or an astronaugt.

Again, the point of this post is not to say "you can't do this" the point of it is to say stop picking on us because we play the game the way it was designed to be played.

Is it possible to play ArmA in other ways? Yes.

Do I have a problem with people playing in other ways? No, as long as they do it on servers that allow that playstyle.

And to use your analogy, you wouldn't want someone critisizing you for playing KSP as a space exploration game or for playing MS Flight Simulator as a flight simulator.

[Dj Otacon]

"
There are very few posts discussed this in general. I've only seen one or two.

Then you obviously haven't been around much. It is never hard to find either threads, replies, videos, ect critisizing and steryeotyping those who play milsim in ArmA 3. Although I can't be bthered to find them for you, they pop up all the time."

Where?, when?, Why?

Really? do you think that entire world are worried about how a game will be played?

When I woke in the morning I reed in the news?

¡¡Controversy!! the gamers of the "true milsim" games are in danger...

C'mon...

[Westonsammy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dj Otacon:

Really? do you think that entire world are worried about how a game will be played?

No, I am just saying that people within the ArmA community should not be critisizing those who play the game as a milsim game.

And yes, the negative view that milsim players are all these machoistic super-hardcore wannabee military guys does exist and can be seen within the community. Otherwise the steryeotype would not be there in the first place.

[Dj Otacon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Westonsammy:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dj Otacon:

Really? do you think that entire world are worried about how a game will be played?

No, I am just saying that people within the ArmA community should not be critisizing those who play the game as a milsim game.

And yes, the negative view that milsim players are all these machoistic super-hardcore wannabee military guys does exist and can be seen within the community. Otherwise the steryeotype would not be there in the first place.

You're overreacting to validate your arguments. Nobody cares if you play in one way or another.

[Westonsammy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dj Otacon:

You're overreacting to validate your arguments. Nobody cares if you play in one way or another.

It seems that unless I bring out direct proof of hate against people who play milsim, you won't believe me. So here goes...



The following are from a post titled "ARMA AKA the fake simulator for wannbie army men lol"


"tired of all these losers pretending to be a military servicemen"

"yeah its pathetic, they think this game represents real life........armchair soliders with no courage....sad. Many are rednecks and knuckledraggers too"

(Refering to a someone saying ArmA was made around milsim) "True syle" Come off your pedestal you elitiest ♥♥♥♥. Who are you do say what the "True stlye" is?"



From a post titled "ArmA 3...sucks?"

"people who act like wannabe soldiers with no life treat it like it's real life or something."



And after that the steam forums trashbin turns into a pile of complaints about VAC bans.

But the point is, although not the majority of the community thinks this way, some people do think that all people who play MilSim do fit said steryeotypes. I'm not trying to shove this post in everyones face, I just think it needed to be said in a long, well thought out post, what someone who plays milsim thinks about people who dislike milsim in ArmA 3.

[Sparviero]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Westonsammy:

This is a long post, please don't reply without reading the entire thing, it may clear something up for you.



I'm very tired of the critisim and steryeotyping (Except for satire, which I find quite hilarious) leveraged at milsimmers in ArmA, so I decided to make a post on why I think it is wrong to attack MilSim players for palying they way they do within ArmA. Keep in mind that I do play MilSim myself within ArmA, but also play many games that would be considered "arcadey"

Now, let me explain why I feel that milsimmers should not be critized for playing the way they do in ArmA.

ArmA is one of the only Milsim-type games currently out there, and in my opnion, one of the best. The only similar game I can think of is the Project Reality mod for Battlefield 2, which is still very, very different from ArmA. The rest of the milsim genre tends to be small team, infantry based CQC shooters like Insurgency.
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Hi

Steam Forum it's as Seaport,and ArmA III it's became too much alternative to the title in question.
These two things together lead so many variations of players that it's impossible to manage.
Before the advent of ArmA III on Steam this adversity would have been kicked after two posts.
Also because Steam it's like the snack machine ... the only difference is that them distributing the games...but equally they are not the manufacturers of the products sold!

What I wanted to say is that your argument is well exposed, and right, but is also posted in the wrong forum.

Who really wants to deal, with a continuous and open debate without senseless attacks, must expose it on the BIS forum.

That because there are moderators, which in real time, they cut the legs to those too polemical and fools, giving way to establish a civil and quiet conversation.

Have you ever seen a stadium where all behave as mature people?
But if you're sitting in the tribune of honor .... the situation improves greatly!.... Here is the same thing!

Regard